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mad here yeah the physics of it's

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amazing but let's back way the [\h__\h] up

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you know for your audience um people

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might not know so let's uh

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start with this so my name is jeremy

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corbell i'm a documentary filmmaker i

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make uh

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you know investigative documentaries i

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recently released one

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that was in netflix smash hit went all

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around the world hundreds of millions of

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views

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uh i went on the joe rogan podcast three

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times with three different individuals

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that i brought

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with with me that all relate to this

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topic

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of ufos uh the man you mentioned bob

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lazar in case people don't know

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bob lazar is the man he's the reason why

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the in the public consciousness you know

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about area 51

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and flying saucers bob lazar is the

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reason for that

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he came forward in 1989 over 30 years

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ago

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and talked about how our government the

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united states government

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was attempting to reverse engineer these

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extraterrestrial machines

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machines from other worlds and that he

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participated

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in that attempt to reverse engineer

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those spacecraft

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people called him a fraud a liar they

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tried to dig into his personal life and

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you know decide that he's not telling us

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the truth about ufos because

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he ran a brothel or you know all this

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crazy [\h__\h] but

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bottom line is after 30 plus years bob

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lazar's story

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stands true he he did exactly what he

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said he did

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now people don't need to believe that

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there's a much bigger picture going on

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here

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the big picture is this do does our

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government the united states government

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or world governments do they have craft

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from other civilizations advanced

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civilizations that are technologically

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more advanced and operate in the realm

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of physics that is beyond

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our understanding that's the question

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bob azar has always said

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i can't prove everything in my story but

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over time you'll see it's true

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and the big thing for bob

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was that bob is a scientist so the big

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thing for bob

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was the science and technology that's

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being hold back

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from humanity that are represented in

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these craft

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now we couldn't replicate them we

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couldn't reproduce them significantly

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in any way because the material science

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was the number one thing that held us

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back but

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we did get an understanding how they

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operate how they use gravity wave

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amplification

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to traverse space time all of this

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sounds like science fiction if i was

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talking to you

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five years ago but in december of 2018

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there was the announcement that the

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united states government

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had a program called atip advanced

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aerospace

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threat identification program this

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program

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was tasked with identifying and tracking

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and trying to observe the flight

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characteristics and patterns

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of what we call ufos non-terrestrial

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vehicles

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so it has been admitted that the united

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states military

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is investigating the ufo problem and

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that they've been doing so

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actively there was another program

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called awsap

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advanced aerospace weapon systems

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application program

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this was the mother program that housed

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the the a-tip program

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new york times came out and said these

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programs are real

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and not only that but we have fighter

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pilots like commander david fravor who

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came forward who chased the ufo for the

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united states government

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i was the person that was able to get

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him first

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on record long form audio coming forward

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also

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first filmed interview coming forward i

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also got the guy

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uh chad underwood he is now commander

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commander chad underwood he's the guy

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that

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filmed the tic tac ufo the now famous

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tic tac ufo

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so that's kind of the brief history of

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what's been going on

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with babazar and ufos but we're now at a

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place

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we understand how they work it is not

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our against our

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physics how they work we have to

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reimagine

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what we don't understand about physics

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it's gravity wave amplification

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okay at times i'm going to slow you down

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or ask you to repeat because

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i don't know too much about this is i

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have a brief foray into

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the ufo phenomena so when you say atip

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and osap and so on i might get you to

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repeat them

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one for our audience but two for me to

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write down to ask you some more

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questions and to investigate later

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i just learned about john lear today so

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i was just watching some of your

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i think it was episode one about john

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johnson yeah i abandoned that project a

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while ago i filmed

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with john for about eight years seven or

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eight years and you know he's the

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godfather of conspiracy he's he's not

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the touchstone of truth that i go to

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about the ufo thing

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he's wild but as an individual i really

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liked him you know so i filmed

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with him for yeah about seven or eight

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years right john deere mentioned that he

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saw

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some object on the moon do you recall

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what he's referring to

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john lear's told me a lot of things you

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know people living on the sun that kind

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of thing

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i would not take anything that john leer

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says

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as you know a touchstone of truth for

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the ufo topic he is as fringe as fringe

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gets

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i didn't document him because i believed

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him

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character you know he's the son of

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william piller inventor of the the

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learjet

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and the eight track stereo and motorola

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company and

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he's an interesting guy babazar stands

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aside

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babazar was an employee hired through

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egmg

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to work at a sub-base of area 51 called

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site 4 where he was tasked specifically

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with the power and propulsion of these

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non-terrestrial craft and trying to back

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engineer them who else do you find

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credible there's bob lazar

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john lee or no david fravor

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and then you mentioned the guy who

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actually took the video of the tic tac

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yeah there's a lot of people in

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in the ufo field right but there's

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individuals who are kind of keystones

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along the way

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why commander fravor is so credible

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because he's a trained observer

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he's a fighter pilot with more hours

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than anybody that was out

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on that mission right and not only did

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he engage

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this tic-tac-shaped ufo that defied

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our known physics its propulsion system

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was a reactionless system

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usually things push something out the

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back and they go forward this had none

481
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of that

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it was a gravitational system you could

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tell by the acceleration the lack of the

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sonic boom the instantaneous control

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turns and speeds so commander fraber is

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a trained observer who came forward

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both in in briefings to congress private

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briefings to congress

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as well in intelligence reports and then

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publicly once i was able to really bring

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him out

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he is credible because of who he is and

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then of course there were other

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witnesses and that's what makes for a

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good ufo case

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there are other trained witnesses and we

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have footage of that one

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it's one of the famous three videos that

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was released by the pentagon

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showing the world public that ufos exist

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they're flying with impunity in our

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airspace and they've been here a long

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time

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so you know this is not to say impunity

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you don't mean that they're exempt from

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punishment they would try to punish them

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if they could it's just that we can't do

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anything about it

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we can't do a thing about them if you

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look if you look at the

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1952 flyovers in washington dc a very

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famous mass sighting that occurred on

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multiple weekends and all the newspapers

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came in sorry what what was that do you

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mind repeating that it's 1952

516
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flyover washington dc it's a mass ufo

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sighting that was covered on multiple

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weekends we scrambled jets

519
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fighter fighter planes and they they

520
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literally could not catch up with these

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objects with these uh craft so

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when i say flying with impunity what i

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mean is

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that there is a technology that somebody

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has

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an aerospace technology and that we are

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incapable of defense or

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offense when we try to compete with the

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maneuverability

530
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of these craft this is something that

531
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has been occurring a long time

532
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additionally there are incursions on

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military bases

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documented incursions on nuclear bases

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where these vehicles these craft have

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come

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in and have shut down our nuclear

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weapons

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this happened at mail storm air force

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base

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there's a guy named robert salas who is

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the man in the minutemen bunkers

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and uh he he actually is a friend of

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mine and we've gone through

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the case it's now public and uh this is

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something to know that not that these

547
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things are hostile

548
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just that they are much more

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technologically advanced

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than anything that we have we work on

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reactionary propulsion systems

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you know that all airplanes all

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aerospace we still use the same rockets

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to get up

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out of earth's orbit that we did 50

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years ago

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so this is a different technology this

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represents

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not only a different technology but this

560
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represents

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possibly a different advanced culture

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and it's not something you can get

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around that the evidence

564
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is so weighty for so long

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that if people don't know about it they

566
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haven't been paying attention

567
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what do you think is the reason for the

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visitation

569
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oh i have no idea no idea i could

570
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theorize all day long man

571
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:33,440
maybe they like our truffles well here's

572
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:34,480
one

573
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:38,240
believe it now i'm not saying i do

574
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:39,120
believe it's just that i

575
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:41,919
remain open or unconvinced it's not a

576
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:42,880
matter of belief

577
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,240
it's true whether you want to believe it

578
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:46,160
or not i mean it's documented cases more

579
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:47,200
evidence for this

580
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:49,200
than there is for most things on planet

581
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:51,360
earth there's there's more incursions

582
00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:53,679
there's more evidence of ufo presence

583
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:55,039
than almost anything there's

584
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:57,280
so many cases over so much time with so

585
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:58,400
many credible witnesses

586
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,799
now we have film footage radar footage

587
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:02,400
it's not a matter of belief

588
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,880
so why do you think that they look

589
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:06,640
somewhat like us that they're hominid

590
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:08,000
that they have two eyes that they have

591
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,400
to

592
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:10,720
you know there's something called

593
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:12,320
convergent evolution but it's not as if

594
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:14,000
all intelligence species must converge

595
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:16,720
to be like us so i'm curious why do you

596
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,160
think it is that they look

597
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,720
similar to us i don't mean to be coy but

598
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:22,000
i don't know that they do

599
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:23,760
and the reason is when you first start

600
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:25,760
looking into ufos you get all these

601
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:26,480
ideas

602
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:28,400
you're like they must be from other

603
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:29,600
planets

604
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:31,440
why are they visiting here that's like

605
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:33,440
you know ufos 101 the first thought you

606
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,919
got

607
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,280
then you're like oh they've been

608
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,360
represented to look kind of hominid you

609
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:38,880
know whatever bipedal

610
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:42,080
creatures the more you look into this

611
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:44,960
the more you realize all that is is uh

612
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:45,360
not

613
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:48,160
supported with the evidence it turns out

614
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,280
we don't know

615
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:51,360
if these craft are from other solar

616
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,640
systems

617
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:55,120
or if they're if it's stranger than that

618
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:56,720
if it's a dimensional

619
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:58,960
reality if these things are popping in

620
00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:59,919
and out somehow

621
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:02,480
of of our demand into our dimension we

622
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:04,559
don't know we are so far behind in

623
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:05,520
understanding it

624
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,919
certainly hard physical craft makes you

625
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:09,360
think they're from other planets

626
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:11,679
for sure could be maybe they're looking

627
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:12,640
at us

628
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:15,440
like they would um livestock like a

629
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,320
commodity

630
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,480
maybe they have some investment in the

631
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:20,000
human species for some

632
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:22,240
reason and this is the why they show or

633
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:23,280
flex

634
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:25,039
on the powers of our nuclear weapons

635
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:27,039
which they've done a lot

636
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,880
uh additionally the other thing what do

637
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:30,400
you mean when you say that you mean that

638
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:30,960
when

639
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,280
we have done nuclear tests the ufo

640
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:34,960
sightings have increased

641
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:38,080
so there's a lot of information and

642
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:38,720
evidence

643
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:41,760
of the ufo phenomenon engaging

644
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:44,799
our nuclear process so everything from

645
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:47,280
coming into very famous cases like i

646
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,080
mentioned before

647
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:50,960
male storm in uh male storm air force

648
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:51,840
base

649
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:54,880
uh there is a ufo a disc that came in

650
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:58,080
and shot a beam of light down into the

651
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:59,760
nuclear silo and again don't believe me

652
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,240
this is

653
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,039
documented fact this came out through

654
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,720
foia this came out through information

655
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,919
acts

656
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:08,159
and it shut down our nuclear weapons it

657
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,360
was a display of

658
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,480
power so why are they doing that right

659
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,080
and they're not only doing it to us

660
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:16,400
there's also documented cases in russia

661
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:17,600
at the same time

662
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,000
at the height of the cold war so

663
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:22,240
obviously there's some sort of

664
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,520
uh message being sent where these

665
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:27,440
whoever is occupying these craft whoever

666
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,640
is piloting

667
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:30,799
these craft whether it be a physical

668
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:31,679
being

669
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,039
or an artificial intelligence whatever's

670
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,440
piloting these vehicles

671
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,919
they're they're showing us hey we can

672
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,039
shut down your nukes

673
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,360
at any time so i would suggest everybody

674
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,880
look into that so you don't just look at

675
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:46,400
this guy and say oh crazy guy told me

676
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:47,200
this

677
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,039
verifiable fact

678
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:53,840
and if anyone if sorry if any of you who

679
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:54,080
are

680
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,000
the ufo field if you don't mind

681
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:59,760
putting some of the sources because i

682
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,880
can't get to them all that'd be great

683
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,760
and then i can link them in the

684
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,039
description

685
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,520
okay continue yeah and then i just want

686
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,799
to touch upon what you said

687
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,559
because we're going through this this

688
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:11,039
zeitgeist of like what ufos are so

689
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,000
people are like oh they're

690
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:14,240
from other planets i am unconvinced the

691
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,039
more i learn

692
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:17,200
i'm unconvinced this is a phenomenon of

693
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,320
just other

694
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,919
people from other star systems coming

695
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,640
here it the evidence does not suggest

696
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,840
that when you really look at the

697
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,919
totality of the evidence

698
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,679
it's not just flying saucers shaped as

699
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,080
saucers we have all shapes and sizes of

700
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:31,760
vehicles that shouldn't be existing in

701
00:22:34,350 --> 00:22:32,559
our skies

702
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,360
again commander fravor chased a

703
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,880
tic-tac-shaped ufo

704
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:39,600
there's a very famous case called the

705
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,000
phoenix

706
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:42,000
lights and this is a mass sighting of a

707
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,600
triangular shaped craft

708
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:46,000
like a mile wide we don't have anything

709
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:47,679
like that in our arsenal

710
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,080
and people that you speak with who

711
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,840
actually saw it i interviewed a doctor

712
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,679
and a lawyer husband and wife

713
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,440
who who saw it and this this thing came

714
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,600
over it touched mountain to mountain

715
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,760
so it was over a mile wide and when it

716
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:01,520
came over them totally silent

717
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,280
it was like as if there was a bubble

718
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:05,360
around them of silence like all the

719
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,720
crickets stopped everything

720
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,080
and they're looking at what would have

721
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:09,600
been the bottom of this thing and it

722
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,320
looks like

723
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:12,240
waving of glass like they can see the

724
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,600
stars through it

725
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:16,000
and there's a lot of reasons you know

726
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,200
that you can see different

727
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,360
optics when you when you see these craft

728
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,960
because of how they're powered

729
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,600
how they distort how they navigate is

730
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,880
through a propulsion system based on

731
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,240
gravity as we know gravity

732
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,799
distorts time and space so you can get

733
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,720
an optical illusion just looking up at

734
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,000
these things

735
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,760
back to the beings because this is

736
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,120
always exciting people will say well

737
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,760
they look like us they're bipedal no

738
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:40,400
that's not true there there are so many

739
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,840
cases of the grays

740
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,440
right that's what you're referring to

741
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,279
this popularization

742
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,360
of the gray alien and yeah a lot of

743
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,799
people have seen that betty and barney

744
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,679
hill

745
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,919
were the first abduction case to

746
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,279
identify

747
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:56,000
this type of being in the pop culture

748
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,120
however

749
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:59,200
there's been a lot of reports of

750
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,480
different types of

751
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:03,039
operators of these craft they look very

752
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,640
different than that

753
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,799
so i can't say for sure that we're being

754
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,080
visited by another planet

755
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,880
i can't say for sure that these things

756
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,400
look a certain way

757
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:14,640
again these could be artificial cyborg

758
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:15,760
intelligences

759
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,279
that are just uh being controlled by a

760
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,400
super intelligent ai we don't know

761
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,000
who's controlling and piloting these

762
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,240
craft they could be drones

763
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:28,720
when you say that it's not necessarily

764
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,520
from

765
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,600
outside of our solar system then do you

766
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,120
mean that it's us

767
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,279
in the future or do you mean that it's

768
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,880
when you say another dimension

769
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,360
i'm unclear so please i'm uncle i don't

770
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,360
even know what another dimension means

771
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,600
i'm not that smart i i just know that

772
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:45,360
the evidence doesn't suggest that this

773
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,400
is just

774
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,559
people from zeta reticuli star system

775
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,919
coming in and visiting us because they

776
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:51,679
like our mushrooms i mean

777
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,200
i don't know but people have theorized

778
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,320
that these are extra temporal beings but

779
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,000
the nature of time travel

780
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:02,080
itself or by the nature of gravitational

781
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,279
travel itself you do have

782
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,600
distortions in time and space so some

783
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,720
people say they're extra temporal

784
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,000
they're they're being they're us

785
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,320
from the future i have no idea the

786
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,640
evidence doesn't suggest that to me

787
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,679
but the more exotic theories is this

788
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:16,640
idea of

789
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:20,799
extra dimensionals that there are these

790
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,520
kind of perforations in our reality in

791
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,720
our dimension

792
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:27,360
and that beings and yet craft can come

793
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:28,000
through now i

794
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,440
i don't know the physics of it i don't

795
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,760
know if that's true but i do know that

796
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,760
the study the government did on a place

797
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,000
called skinwalker ranch in utah

798
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,840
where a lot of these phenomena seem to

799
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,760
express themselves

800
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:42,320
they were doing so because they saw

801
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,600
deployment

802
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:46,799
they saw tears what appeared like tears

803
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:47,600
in the sky

804
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:51,039
and craft and beings come through now

805
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,400
whether you believe this or not

806
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,360
our government did study this ranch for

807
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,279
many years our

808
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,520
defense intelligence agency did they

809
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,440
thought it was a real threat

810
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,559
so my point is i don't know the more i

811
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,200
learn the less i know about ufos

812
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,679
are they just beings from another planet

813
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,200
or is it stranger

814
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,240
like interdimensionals extra temporals i

815
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,360
don't know

816
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,760
have you heard any great ideas as to why

817
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,279
they flex

818
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,760
in isolated situations for example why

819
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:22,720
don't they

820
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,559
new york or toronto

821
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,279
and show themselves if they want to show

822
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,360
their prowess why is it always

823
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:34,080
in places where there's lack of footage

824
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,919
or secrecy

825
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,600
well we no longer have have lack of

826
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,440
footage you know there there's lack of

827
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,520
high resolution footage let's say okay

828
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:43,600
but that's another misnomer you know

829
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,480
because the uh

830
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,880
the flear pod the atler pod footage

831
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,559
that's it's not like an iphone those

832
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,159
things are targeting systems they're

833
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:52,159
weapon systems those are multi-million

834
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,520
dollar camera systems

835
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,919
they're just showing you a thermal uh

836
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,279
you know signature

837
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,120
because of they want to look for thermal

838
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,880
signatures to see what how these things

839
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,919
are propelling

840
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,919
so if you had a normal camera you'd get

841
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:05,360
less information

842
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,559
so the footage all be it square black

843
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,080
and white and grainy

844
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,559
gives us more information about that

845
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,360
vehicle the tic tac ufo in 2004

846
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,679
off of the west coast of california than

847
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:19,279
if you had a normal camera

848
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,120
but to your point your point is well

849
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,520
if they're here why haven't they landed

850
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:26,720
on the white house lawn

851
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,600
why haven't they said hey we're here and

852
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,720
a lot of people

853
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:33,120
you know over centuries have asked that

854
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,640
question is like you know what

855
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,399
what are these things and why aren't

856
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,320
they presenting themselves i would argue

857
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:41,039
that they are that they do so in a very

858
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:41,760
delicate

859
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,279
and intricate manner that they do so um

860
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,760
to a variety of individuals throughout

861
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,279
time

862
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:52,080
obviously if they wanted to show great

863
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,679
power if they wanted to show

864
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,399
a great force they could do so they

865
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:57,760
could shut down our nuclear weapons or

866
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:58,559
turn them on

867
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,080
so there you go maybe there's a program

868
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,880
in place i would like to believe it's an

869
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,799
educational program

870
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,520
that over time we're being acclimated to

871
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:11,679
this other reality

872
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,799
i don't know that to be true maybe as i

873
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,320
said before

874
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:19,200
there's a reason like a prime directive

875
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:20,320
if you're a fan of

876
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,919
you know star trek or that kind of thing

877
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:23,679
or non-interference

878
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,720
maybe they're just making sure we're not

879
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:27,120
blowing ourselves up

880
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,399
i don't know have you explored any

881
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:32,080
connections between psychedelics

882
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:35,840
and aliens personally yes

883
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,880
i love some mushrooms um because

884
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,919
you know they're different classes

885
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,880
there's like the mushrooms and there's

886
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,320
lsd then there's dmt which is like

887
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,559
psychedelic 2.0 and that one

888
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,679
apparently you can get to places where

889
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:47,520
you can speak to other beings and other

890
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,880
forms and i'm curious

891
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,880
if i've never i mean they're i'm

892
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,880
interested i'm interested in

893
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,640
you know the expansion of consciousness

894
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,480
and what exists within our conscience

895
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,000
that is untapped

896
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,960
so you know my psychiatric experiences

897
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,240
have been beautiful

898
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,399
i i never have communed with the aliens

899
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:06,080
or anything i don't know if there's a

900
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,279
direct connection

901
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,039
a lot of people have this these great

902
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:11,360
ideas that you know the planet was

903
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,159
seeded from

904
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:14,240
outer space on an asteroid by mushrooms

905
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,440
to enhance

906
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,120
you know homo sapien and bring them up

907
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,880
to in in intelligence and

908
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,880
i mean that's that's a joe rogan theory

909
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,039
uh you know i i don't know

910
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:25,200
i just know that people do draw that

911
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:26,159
connection

912
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:30,159
in the the expanse of our consciousness

913
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:33,600
seems a little bit less limited

914
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,039
when you open these doors of perception

915
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,279
through things like psychedelics

916
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,799
properly used

917
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,880
maybe ceremonially used and not

918
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,880
frivolously used you know going to a

919
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,080
rave or something

920
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,600
but i don't think they're the key and i

921
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:49,279
don't think they're the answer and i

922
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:50,399
think that if we were going to learn

923
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,679
something from them

924
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,760
about these visitors we probably would

925
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:55,120
have learned them thousands of years ago

926
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,399
human beings have been doing second dogs

927
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:58,000
for thousands of years

928
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,520
so i wouldn't go jump and do a whole

929
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:00,880
bunch of psychedelics to try to commune

930
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,590
why do you think it is that the

931
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,279
government released some of the videos

932
00:30:12,430 --> 00:30:09,279
the tic tac video in particular

933
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,440
i know specifically why they released

934
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,760
reluctantly these videos because of

935
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,039
public pressure

936
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,880
pressure on the inside and pressure on

937
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:20,960
the outside there's a number of people

938
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:21,760
who worked

939
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:24,559
to get these videos released it's not

940
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,520
something that the

941
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,960
department of defense and the

942
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,520
intelligence agencies freely wanted

943
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,760
to release why give the public

944
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,799
information

945
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:35,120
about something that one we don't know

946
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,320
that much about

947
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:39,600
and two we certainly cannot control it's

948
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:40,399
a

949
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,880
purpose

950
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,840
and intent so it's not just like the

951
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,720
government's like oh

952
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:55,279
ufos are real here you go there's a lot

953
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,000
of people that

954
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,240
worked to get that information out

955
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,320
remember if you're a fighter pilot

956
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,000
and you chase one of these things and

957
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:04,159
you go start talking about it

958
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,200
people are going to think you're not

959
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:07,039
wrapped so tight and they're going to

960
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,480
take away your wings is what they used

961
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,240
to do stop you from flying

962
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,720
no fighter pilot wants that so now

963
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,640
they're trying to make it

964
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:16,480
there's actually new policies that have

965
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:17,760
been promised

966
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,960
to make it easier for people to report

967
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,880
these near misses they call them like

968
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,480
close encounters

969
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,240
and if we do that then people won't be

970
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,080
stigmatized as much

971
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,880
and we'll get more data so you think

972
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,880
it's because perhaps they want more data

973
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,440
and they just want to destigmatize it

974
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:37,519
you know i don't know that that's i

975
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,480
think they they have

976
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,799
way better technology than the civilian

977
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,880
world i don't think they need us anymore

978
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,720
you know for ufo data i think that they

979
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,559
can track it something size of a golf

980
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,120
ball coming in from from outer space

981
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,360
so i i don't think they need more data i

982
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,120
think it was just public

983
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:56,080
pressure people know this stuff is real

984
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:57,279
they see it

985
00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:00,159
pilots see it individuals see it i mean

986
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:01,200
it's tracked on

987
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,159
on on radar systems it's hard to to

988
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:07,039
continuously cover it up

989
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,559
you know i want to defend you for a bit

990
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,159
because you take a lot of flack

991
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:12,720
and i feel like much of it is undeserved

992
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,760
we're going to get into some of the

993
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,880
criticisms of you

994
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,320
i'm curious as to what you think about

995
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,559
them but the way that i view it is there

996
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:20,159
are very few people with the breadth of

997
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,440
knowledge that you have when it comes to

998
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:23,120
this topic and this topic is extremely

999
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:24,559
pre-possessing it's frightening

1000
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:28,080
it's also in rapturing and i see you

1001
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,360
like

1002
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,519
maybe george knapp can rival you so

1003
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:33,840
george knapp is like you on benadryl

1004
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,360
and you are like george knapp on ritalin

1005
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:39,279
so i like george knapp at least from

1006
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,640
what i've seen of him

1007
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,120
uh i don't and i'm a fan of you so i

1008
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,519
wanted to defend you

1009
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:47,200
guess what what what have people said

1010
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,880
let me know tell me well

1011
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,640
if you look at the comments in some of

1012
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,320
the joe rogan interviews

1013
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,840
actually i don't know specifically but

1014
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,760
what do you see as some of the the best

1015
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,960
criticisms of you and

1016
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,240
and what do you see is some of the worst

1017
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,640
which one do you not pay attention to

1018
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:03,279
i i've stopped paying attention to other

1019
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,000
people's

1020
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:06,640
perception of me a long time ago you

1021
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,039
know

1022
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,600
it's not important to my well-being it's

1023
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,960
not important to my

1024
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,480
spiritual evolution or personal

1025
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,399
evolution uh

1026
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,880
i i love i have friends have completely

1027
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:18,720
different points of view

1028
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,679
than i do but social media really allows

1029
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,720
people to be

1030
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,799
so anonymous that they speak like with

1031
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,080
authority about something that they

1032
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,760
don't have authority on so

1033
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,840
you know yeah man people you know they

1034
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,760
hate me for my beard they hate me for my

1035
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:33,440
attitude they hate me for

1036
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,240
talking if i say a word you know i

1037
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:38,559
shouldn't be able to say that word

1038
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,000
so i don't really care um

1039
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,159
sure if i were to go in and read

1040
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,519
thousands of comments

1041
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,919
you know on the joe rogan podcast you

1042
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:49,200
know that would be the worst thing i

1043
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,679
could do

1044
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:52,480
in my life because it's just like people

1045
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,919
call you a [\h__\h] over and over you

1046
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:55,760
might start believing it

1047
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,480
but uh ultimately i know who i am and

1048
00:34:01,110 --> 00:34:00,080
and the truth is i'm a curious

1049
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,120
individual

1050
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:03,279
i want to get closer to the truth i'm

1051
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,240
not afraid of

1052
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,399
of speaking up and and saying what i

1053
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:07,840
believe to be true

1054
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:11,679
or what i know or what i don't know uh

1055
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:15,119
my my personality is not one to to say i

1056
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,480
would get nothing done if i just

1057
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,520
sat back and let things come to me i i

1058
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,399
go for them i

1059
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,639
try to dig in and find out the truth on

1060
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:24,079
things and for some people that's

1061
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,040
off-putting

1062
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:27,679
so yeah i get love letters you know and

1063
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,159
then some that are not so love letters

1064
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:33,119
and i think the ones that are very vocal

1065
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,320
are the ones that

1066
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,119
you know try to diminish me or you know

1067
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:39,520
say that i'm somehow a problem

1068
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:42,240
uh all i'm doing is is making films i i

1069
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:43,040
can't believe

1070
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,560
people threat you know give death

1071
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,560
threats for making films whoever

1072
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:49,040
watches a film finds out the guy that

1073
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,079
made the film

1074
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:52,320
and threatens to kill him i mean that's

1075
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:53,599
crazy

1076
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,480
it's complimentary in some sense yeah i

1077
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,920
i don't consider that a compliment i

1078
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,200
consider that like uh

1079
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:01,440
you know a mental disorder i you know i

1080
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:02,720
i don't know people are very

1081
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,599
passionate about the ufo topic and i

1082
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:06,960
think it strikes a lot of

1083
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,520
nerves and i think that you see that

1084
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,040
polarization

1085
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:13,359
in social media comments so what you're

1086
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,079
bringing up

1087
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,599
is a lot of people talk [\h__\h] about me

1088
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,599
that that's what you're bringing up

1089
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,640
and fact that is true i think a

1090
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:22,960
disproportionate amount of people

1091
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,560
like to talk [\h__\h] about my appearances

1092
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,720
or what i talk about or when i make

1093
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:30,640
films or stuff like that

1094
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,480
uh i don't let that affect my my work

1095
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:36,880
if something is good if if it's like a

1096
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,839
constructive criticism i guess they say

1097
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:41,599
i'll better myself from it that's right

1098
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:42,880
and most of people who call themselves

1099
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,760
skeptics are more

1100
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:45,280
in the business of tearing down rather

1101
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,480
than building up so it's not much

1102
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,440
constructive

1103
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,560
oh no yes skeptics are like debunkers

1104
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,079
people that just

1105
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,920
are trying to prove something without

1106
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:55,760
looking at all the evidence i i'm hands

1107
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,240
off there

1108
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,599
you can't help someone like that you

1109
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:59,359
can't help them it's a mental sickness

1110
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,000
it's a

1111
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,280
mental gymnastics well

1112
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,520
to defend you and to defend the bunkers

1113
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,880
there is a place for them because you

1114
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,480
need to know your harshest critiques in

1115
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,160
order to strengthen your own theory

1116
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,400
but then at the same time i'm also a fan

1117
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,240
of there's something called the meutic

1118
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,599
method it's a socratic method of

1119
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,720
eliciting ideas

1120
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,400
and i don't see them as engaging in that

1121
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,160
they may say that what we're doing is

1122
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,839
trying to get to the truth but the truth

1123
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,280
is also impart a

1124
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,599
creative process and not just a purely

1125
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,119
destructive one

1126
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,200
yeah and there's a difference between uh

1127
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:30,880
somebody who's skeptical

1128
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,760
because believe it or not i'm extremely

1129
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:35,119
skeptical i have to deal with so much

1130
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,920
[\h__\h]

1131
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:38,480
so many lies in the ufo field that i've

1132
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,040
i've

1133
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:41,599
honed myself to have a [\h__\h] meter i

1134
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,240
mean i am

1135
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,720
as skeptical as they come but i'm not a

1136
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:45,599
debunker

1137
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,440
to just

1138
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,680
say what commander fravor saw was a

1139
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,280
reflection inside the hood

1140
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:56,160
of his uh airplane and you know forget

1141
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,280
the radar data

1142
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,359
forget the other pilots that saw it

1143
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,920
forget the internal investigations

1144
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:03,599
through the defense intelligence agency

1145
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:05,920
none of that matters he saw a reflection

1146
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,440
inside his cockpit that's ridiculous

1147
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,520
these are ridiculous people saying

1148
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:13,200
ridiculous things

1149
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:15,920
to try to presuppose uh you know their

1150
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:16,640
their

1151
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,280
initial assertion i'm curious about

1152
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:23,200
about how you structure your day what

1153
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,560
time do you wake up

1154
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,320
and how long do you work for and do you

1155
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:27,920
have to work in solid blocks

1156
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,589
i don't advise anybody to take my advice

1157
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,599
on how to structure your life

1158
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:38,160
see um i i don't think i've got the the

1159
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,960
model life

1160
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,400
forget about advice i'm just curious as

1161
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,560
to how you do it yeah okay

1162
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,480
uh well i was a mixed martial athlete my

1163
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,000
whole life so

1164
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,240
starting at nine years old you know up

1165
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:51,280
until 2004 is when i officially stopped

1166
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:54,800
you know training i was a very

1167
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:57,839
dedicated physical individual

1168
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,240
so from training to meditation

1169
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:05,920
to diet very strict you know i i trained

1170
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:09,920
probably you know eight hours a day

1171
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,040
so coming from that place

1172
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,040
i had like a life-changing experience

1173
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:17,200
with illness and then i i started on a

1174
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,160
new path

1175
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:21,280
a path of art and a path of film

1176
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,720
and since that time my

1177
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,839
daily habits have fluctuated

1178
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:29,839
but the thing that remains kind of

1179
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,240
consistent is i i don't sleep very much

1180
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,880
i've always been one of those people

1181
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,000
that just work

1182
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,880
creatively best at night i go to bed

1183
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:40,560
when the sun comes up or whenever i feel

1184
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,119
like it

1185
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,079
and i sleep as long as i want but i you

1186
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,599
know i don't sleep a lot

1187
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,400
you know average is like five to uh

1188
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,480
seven hours a night

1189
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:53,760
uh i eat once a day that's a another

1190
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,320
thing that

1191
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,480
has always been you know kind of for me

1192
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,520
is uh i don't

1193
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,359
i eat when i'm hungry i'm hungry once a

1194
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,000
day uh

1195
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,800
i don't know i like beer more than water

1196
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:05,760
do you meditate

1197
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:09,440
still uh not in the same way no my my

1198
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,839
life

1199
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,480
is uh changed a lot you know from that

1200
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,800
physical discipline

1201
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,280
i will say though that all those years

1202
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:18,720
of intensive

1203
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,680
training both physical and then mental

1204
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,280
with meditation

1205
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,680
i can kind of be doing anything and i

1206
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,680
feel i'm in that meditative state

1207
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,240
so if i have to clean my room or do the

1208
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,599
dishes

1209
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:34,240
you know that's when i take that silence

1210
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:35,280
you know

1211
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,640
what kind of meditation was it

1212
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,359
mindfulness transcendental

1213
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,359
was movement meditation uh it all

1214
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,680
started initially with jiu jitsu and

1215
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,119
then i developed a form of

1216
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,359
yoga that was handed to me for martial

1217
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,280
arts for martial athletics

1218
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:51,040
so it was a form of yoga called warrior

1219
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,640
yoga and it basically

1220
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:55,280
trained me and then then my my students

1221
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,480
and i opened up schools

1222
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,920
all around the us and actually outside

1223
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,599
of the u.s

1224
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,440
to use a movement meditation that

1225
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:02,640
incorporates breath and

1226
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:06,079
very strenuous exercise that work with

1227
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,800
the fine

1228
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:09,680
twitch muscles and so i did that for

1229
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,000
probably

1230
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,359
20 years and uh you know then i did

1231
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:14,800
seated medicine i traveled all around

1232
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,599
the world

1233
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,599
looking for people to learn from from

1234
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:19,599
martial arts to meditation to

1235
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,319
healers to seekers to you know i've been

1236
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,560
all around the world this is before your

1237
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,319
foray into filmmaking or this is

1238
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,720
afterward yeah it's a joke i'm a

1239
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,760
filmmaker like i

1240
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,520
had no idea that i would ever become a

1241
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:33,599
filmmaker i was a mixed martial athlete

1242
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:34,720
that's it that's all

1243
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,760
done and uh you know then i i got an

1244
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,040
illness and it

1245
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:41,839
transformed me i was not able to to be

1246
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,480
physical

1247
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:45,040
in the same way it's called valley fever

1248
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,760
and um

1249
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,119
you know a good year of my life i could

1250
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:49,359
barely walk so i was it just

1251
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:52,160
changed my trajectory and i fell into

1252
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,359
filmmaking

1253
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:55,280
and then i realized that um that i could

1254
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,400
do it that i could do it well

1255
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,160
how is it that you get the funding to do

1256
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,750
what does it cost i have to buy buy a

1257
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,119
couple cameras

1258
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,720
and i have to travel places to talk with

1259
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:10,560
cool people i mean

1260
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,280
it's all my own personal there's no big

1261
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,440
budget i don't have a big company

1262
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:18,480
it's me a couple of cameras and

1263
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,599
and you know travel yeah i mean i i also

1264
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,520
i survive off of real estate i manage

1265
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,720
properties people i

1266
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,319
don't know that because they've never

1267
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,839
asked me but yeah this

1268
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,720
you know i when i was much smarter in my

1269
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:32,319
martial arts days i bought a couple

1270
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:33,280
properties

1271
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,119
funds my uh you know fuels my my film

1272
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,270
okay so pretty much you just need money

1273
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,880
to live and then you like doing

1274
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:46,319
filmmaking so you go out and filmmake

1275
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,280
and then you can maybe

1276
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,880
sell some copies of the film get some

1277
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:50,319
money that way but either way you're

1278
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:51,359
just sell funding because you're

1279
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,640
interested in it

1280
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,640
yeah it was never a question i didn't

1281
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,920
even know i was going to put movies out

1282
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,280
the the camera

1283
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,200
it was like a it was like a gag you know

1284
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,520
the camera was like my passport into

1285
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,800
people's lives

1286
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,119
right i just wanted to learn from them

1287
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:07,119
and i found out real quickly you poured

1288
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:08,319
a camera at them and they started

1289
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,800
talking

1290
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,760
you know they're telling you stuff

1291
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:11,920
they've never told their families before

1292
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:15,520
so making a film was just me sharing

1293
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:19,200
my life experience what i have learned

1294
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,480
who i have met and i was very lucky

1295
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,800
in that aesthetically you know companies

1296
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,920
like netflix were like

1297
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:28,079
[\h__\h] this is good and they were like

1298
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:29,119
we're gonna put it out

1299
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,560
so finally i'm making money on my movies

1300
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,839
let's go through some of the creative

1301
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:35,040
process what's going on on the board

1302
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:36,319
behind you how do you structure your

1303
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:37,200
scenes

1304
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:39,040
um and is that helping you structure

1305
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,319
your scenes

1306
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,400
well yeah it's kind of like a free

1307
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,480
association wall and that

1308
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,800
you know i get my base ideas like even

1309
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:48,160
the title of the film i go through a

1310
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,280
bunch of different

1311
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,440
versions and then yeah what i'll do is

1312
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,720
i'll i'll structure

1313
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,119
the footage that i have i think i do

1314
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:57,760
this probably the worst way possible

1315
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:01,200
in that i edit all my footage so usually

1316
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,319
people film

1317
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:05,119
for a few years and then they take

1318
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,240
portions of it

1319
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,720
to piece together a film right what i do

1320
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,400
is i come home after filming

1321
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:13,440
and i edit every single scene

1322
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,560
in its full length to perfection so when

1323
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,480
it comes time to putting together

1324
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,720
a narrative in a movie i already have

1325
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,280
these perfectly edited long-form scenes

1326
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,960
and i'll go in and grab a piece from

1327
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,599
there put it sew it in there

1328
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,240
so i edit all my footage i don't ever

1329
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:32,000
let something sit

1330
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,359
how do you choose when to put some of

1331
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,880
those interludes or some of those

1332
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:36,800
recreations like for example there was

1333
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,200
this

1334
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,119
isn't a recreation but you filmed i

1335
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:40,720
think it was john lear's

1336
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,160
kid with fake blood as well as like

1337
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:45,680
there's you walking into the desert with

1338
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,319
a voice

1339
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,760
i'm just curious do you see them as okay

1340
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:49,280
i have seen a and cnb and you need to

1341
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,000
connect them

1342
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,599
what makes you create a scene that

1343
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,680
wasn't filmed in field

1344
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:56,800
right so so really for me it was when i

1345
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,359
was

1346
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,000
let me use a concrete example so the bob

1347
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,160
lazar film so i've got a director's cut

1348
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,760
version it's really long

1349
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,079
right and i'm like okay what it needs to

1350
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,680
be about an hour and a half

1351
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,520
how can i tell this 30-year story in an

1352
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,359
hour and a half with this huge movie

1353
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,200
that i've already cut

1354
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:16,160
so i really it's about paring it down to

1355
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,960
be the most

1356
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,960
pointed what are the most important

1357
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,359
parts and i brought it down down down

1358
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:23,839
then i got to a point where i was like i

1359
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,800
need to put

1360
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,880
something in there to show the moment

1361
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:28,319
that i got notified

1362
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,000
about the fbi raid on babazar's business

1363
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:35,280
so i'm free to to film

1364
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:38,560
i have my um you know my studio i can

1365
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,599
film in

1366
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:42,240
so exactly like it happened to me that

1367
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,040
morning

1368
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,040
you know i brought the texts onto my

1369
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,880
phone and filmed at different angles in

1370
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:47,599
that pink

1371
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,839
intro to the film it was to give people

1372
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,040
this cinematic

1373
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,960
feeling of what it was like when i

1374
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,800
actually picked up my phone and called

1375
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:57,119
george knapp and bob i was like what the

1376
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:58,640
[\h__\h] just happened

1377
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,599
so i insert these parts to the movies

1378
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,280
based upon kind of what i feel

1379
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,280
is lacking but it's really easy man pick

1380
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,880
up a camera the world is out there

1381
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,079
there's a lot to film

1382
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,920
how long is this director's cut is it

1383
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,440
ever coming out

1384
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:13,760
i don't know i i i think i'll put it out

1385
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,800
in sections

1386
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,800
so the babazar area 51 and flying

1387
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,319
saucers that's the name of the netflix

1388
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,680
film

1389
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,560
you know imagine there's thousands of

1390
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,079
hours of footage

1391
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:27,359
with bob that i have surrounding him his

1392
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,760
life

1393
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,440
his entire family all the other

1394
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,640
investigations that i've done

1395
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,480
surrounding bob's story

1396
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,440
the movie is an hour and a half so what

1397
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,400
i've been doing

1398
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:39,200
is on my netflix on my um youtube

1399
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,319
channel

1400
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,960
i've been putting out extended bonus

1401
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:45,040
scenes or deleted scenes i'm calling

1402
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,440
them

1403
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,880
and so that's so that people get to see

1404
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,040
these longer interviews with bob

1405
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,560
yeah okay now just to get into some

1406
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,400
nitty-gritty i'm curious as a filmmaker

1407
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:54,000
does that violate any of your contract

1408
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,280
with netflix how is it that you can

1409
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,040
reuse the same footage or you don't

1410
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:59,040
oh no i'm a completely independent

1411
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,079
filmmaker

1412
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,200
my contract with netflix i let them

1413
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,040
i let them use the movie for a certain

1414
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:06,720
amount of time see i own

1415
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,599
everything i own all my own content you

1416
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:11,119
know i allowed them to use

1417
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,880
the hour and 30 movie to put on their

1418
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,079
platform but i am

1419
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,280
the the owner of all my own content so

1420
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,119
that that's how it works is i i gave

1421
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:23,040
them the hour and thirty section

1422
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,400
cool let's get to this background one

1423
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,839
more time because i'm curious about it

1424
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,280
why don't you take me through a specific

1425
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,800
example how is it that you make the

1426
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:30,640
connections

1427
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:35,040
said that what you have is almost like

1428
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,160
somewhat of a madman

1429
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,599
approach where you put different

1430
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,119
pictures on the wall maybe you draw

1431
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:41,200
lines and you put together i'm assuming

1432
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,640
it's either a theory

1433
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,800
or a theme or you're trying to prove a

1434
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,560
certain point can you take me through

1435
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,040
an example of your creative process yeah

1436
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:51,119
sure um yeah well the main thing really

1437
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,520
is

1438
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:53,359
again it's i'm trying to uplift the

1439
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,560
visual aesthetic

1440
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:57,200
for ufo films right so i i want people

1441
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:57,680
to

1442
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,720
be enticed by the look and the feel

1443
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,560
kind of the playfulness of a film i

1444
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,079
don't want it to be this dry

1445
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,720
ancient aliens kind of this happened on

1446
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:08,000
this day you know

1447
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:09,760
with my films i try to give a little bit

1448
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,079
of personal character to it so that's

1449
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,839
why i had like mickey rourke

1450
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,079
you know the controversial mickey rourke

1451
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,079
you know narrate with like a mouthful of

1452
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,319
gravel in my film you know

1453
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,079
i can barely understand him a lot of

1454
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,319
people say that's the point [\h__\h]

1455
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,079
you know the point is to get people to

1456
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:28,880
listen and and be enthralled by his

1457
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,480
strange voice and he was talking

1458
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:34,240
poetically he wasn't just

1459
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,599
giving you factual things about the

1460
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:37,359
movie i wrote him a script

1461
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:40,800
that's like super poetic and weird and

1462
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,920
psychedelic and um so

1463
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,680
my you're talking about my chalkboard

1464
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:47,839
wall so wherever i've lived

1465
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,880
i've done a coat of magnetized paint

1466
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,800
and then i've done chalkboard paint and

1467
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,720
i get neodymium magnets so that they're

1468
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,240
very strong super magnets

1469
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,640
and i can put up pictures and kind of

1470
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,079
use the wall

1471
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,880
as kind of like how the movies playing

1472
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,520
out

1473
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,520
and and how to structure scenes to some

1474
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,599
degree everything from music

1475
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,359
and the soundscaping that i've done

1476
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,720
which is very intricate

1477
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,079
if you listen to any of you do your own

1478
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:14,400
music well i i work with a couple

1479
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,359
musicians

1480
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:18,720
that give me the same uh

1481
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:22,000
uh beats in sections of tones not like

1482
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:22,720
usually full

1483
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,680
songs and then i weave all of those

1484
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:28,160
hundreds of sections into songs

1485
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,599
there's a guy named red blue black

1486
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,520
silver who i worked with for both hunt

1487
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:33,040
for the skinwalker which is my film on

1488
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,079
hulu

1489
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,960
and then the babazar air 515 saucers and

1490
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,079
he sometimes gives me

1491
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:39,920
larger songs but he gives me a lot of

1492
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:43,200
just audio clips so i soundscape

1493
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,480
the films over the months by using

1494
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,559
certain tones for certain people to

1495
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:50,319
create to create an emotion

1496
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,440
so yeah i guess the wall is kind of

1497
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:55,280
where i can take these investigations

1498
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:55,920
and say

1499
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:58,480
i've talked to this person they said

1500
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,040
this

1501
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:02,240
they're going to connect me with them

1502
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,599
it's like an active board for me when

1503
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,280
i'm doing these investigations because a

1504
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,559
lot of times they're happening

1505
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,480
during the filming so same with the

1506
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,319
babazar thing

1507
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,800
when i got the guy who did babazar

1508
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,480
security clearance

1509
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,800
to work at area 51 at first he was going

1510
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:20,480
to go on camera with me

1511
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,760
and then he basically decided

1512
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,400
not to go on camera with me because it

1513
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,920
was explosive what he had to say he goes

1514
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,800
i remember bob

1515
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,800
i did his security clearance so all i

1516
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,960
could do in the film is report on that

1517
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,040
trust me or not i talked to the guy his

1518
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,640
name is mike thigpen

1519
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,880
and i got a hold of him after 30 years i

1520
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,079
was able to find him

1521
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,400
you mentioned george knapp george knapp

1522
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,240
is an investigative reporter

1523
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,400
out of las vegas nevada he's the guy

1524
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:48,160
that broke the area 51 story in bob

1525
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,880
lazar

1526
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,240
you had mentioned him earlier in the

1527
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:52,559
interview george knapp has been a mentor

1528
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,280
to me

1529
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,599
so george has has helped me with my

1530
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,960
investigations

1531
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,640
and we've i've done a couple films with

1532
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,960
him he's featured in in two of my three

1533
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:03,200
major films right you used some of his

1534
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,880
footage in skinwalker correct

1535
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:06,559
absolutely that was footage the world

1536
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,040
had never seen he had been documenting

1537
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,480
skinwalker ranch for like 20 years

1538
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,640
and uh no one he wasn't allowed to put

1539
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,400
the footage out but i was able to get it

1540
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,599
for that film

1541
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,920
yeah do you think aliens have

1542
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,000
communicated with our government

1543
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,200
explicitly yeah i'm curious about that

1544
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:27,520
myself

1545
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,480
i'm not sure i think it's i think look

1546
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,160
it's step one time man

1547
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:35,040
step one is the general public needs to

1548
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:35,440
get

1549
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,240
with the fact that the ufo presence is

1550
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:43,599
real that we are being visited

1551
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:46,960
on a regular basis by an intelligence

1552
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,000
that our flying hard craft that are

1553
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:53,280
far outpace our technology and we think

1554
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,640
we know how they work

1555
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,240
our government thinks they know how it

1556
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,160
works

1557
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,160
they can't replicate it as far as you

1558
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,760
know there's no documents that say that

1559
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:03,839
the aliens have explicitly communicated

1560
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:04,160
with

1561
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:07,520
usa or russia there's nothing that i

1562
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:08,480
would

1563
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,920
concretely say you know a classified

1564
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:14,240
document that i would say

1565
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:17,440
that's probably real i i have obtained

1566
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,559
documents that say as much but

1567
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:23,040
the the the authenticity of these

1568
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:24,400
documents will always be in question

1569
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:26,000
because you can't translate the source

1570
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,520
and the documents are they implying some

1571
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,839
sort of collusion between the aliens and

1572
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:32,160
the government or is it something else

1573
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:35,359
okay so anybody that wades into the ufo

1574
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,079
world

1575
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,760
really really needs to protect

1576
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,839
themselves from disinformation

1577
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,599
there have been active programs of

1578
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:42,960
disinformation

1579
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:46,160
that have been admitted to by our

1580
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,040
government

1581
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,040
so as far as i know there's project blue

1582
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,599
book is that what you're referring to

1583
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,760
no no is that different well okay so

1584
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:56,079
this is important project blue book

1585
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,599
was the it ended in 1969

1586
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:02,240
supposedly it was the united states

1587
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:03,520
government

1588
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,119
study of ufos now what people don't know

1589
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,040
is that or a lot of people don't know is

1590
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:11,040
that there were two ufo study programs

1591
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,480
before

1592
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:15,920
project sign and project grudge

1593
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:19,440
sign as in sine wave or s-i-g-s-i-g-n

1594
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:22,319
okay sign project sign and project

1595
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,040
grudge

1596
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,640
and then there's project blue book and

1597
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,240
this is the one that's very famous that

1598
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,079
everybody knows about where the u.s

1599
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:30,960
where the u.s government said the famous

1600
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,680
saying

1601
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:34,160
where jay allen heineck who ran project

1602
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,200
blue book

1603
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,200
said that he you know one of the ufos

1604
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:39,200
was swamp gas you ever hear that oh it's

1605
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,319
probably swamp gas

1606
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:42,880
it's a it's a very famous like thing

1607
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:45,599
that people say to debunk ufos

1608
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:48,640
j allen heineck who who ran project blue

1609
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,119
book

1610
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:52,400
later apologized for that because he he

1611
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:53,440
knew the ufo

1612
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:56,559
topic was real and he was mandated

1613
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,680
to quote unquote demystify

1614
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:02,160
the ufo topic to the public so project

1615
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,200
blue book

1616
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,720
was a sham and now everybody knows that

1617
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:09,040
that there are cases that they can't

1618
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:10,319
describe but their

1619
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:12,839
mandate was to try to calm the american

1620
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:15,359
public and this goes back again

1621
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,640
i'm sorry i have to cut you off because

1622
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:17,839
i'm trying to understand this so there's

1623
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:18,800
project blue book

1624
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,680
and what that was was a disinformation

1625
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,520
campaign by the american government

1626
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:26,240
ultimately ultimately ultimately it's

1627
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:27,599
been revealed

1628
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:31,920
that it was at best

1629
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,599
a disinformation project in that

1630
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,000
this was the official study of ufos by

1631
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:39,839
the united states government

1632
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:42,880
and people involved in that

1633
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,839
uh process like j alan heineck later

1634
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:46,559
revealed

1635
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:49,599
that their mandate was to suppress the

1636
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,720
information

1637
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:53,280
was to minimize it was to come up with

1638
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,960
prosaic explanations

1639
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,800
and this is what that term swamp gas

1640
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,240
comes from

1641
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,400
now our government the united states

1642
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:02,319
government also told us

1643
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:05,440
that our study of ufos ended

1644
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,000
in 1969 we now know that to be a lie

1645
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:12,240
i told you about osap and i told you

1646
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,119
about atip

1647
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:15,200
those programs have now been

1648
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,319
acknowledged

1649
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,559
so our government did not stop studying

1650
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,400
ufos of course they didn't they

1651
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:21,839
represent a technology

1652
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,079
that's far superior to what we have we

1653
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:25,839
want that technology

1654
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:29,280
whoever gains the technology that that

1655
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:29,760
is

1656
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:32,800
shown in these ufos

1657
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,000
they win they win everything

1658
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:38,079
it is a technology that cannot be

1659
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:39,280
competed with

1660
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:42,960
it can be weaponized if these things do

1661
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,319
travel using gravity wave amplification

1662
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,480
if that's true then this can be

1663
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,000
weaponized

1664
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:52,799
so in the history go ahead no i was

1665
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,200
gonna

1666
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,829
speaking of weaponized one of my first

1667
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,839
questions to you was

1668
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,839
has your curiosity been weaponized i

1669
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,200
asked oh yeah

1670
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,520
i asked the audience for a few questions

1671
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,799
someone said that ask him if his

1672
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:08,319
curiosity is weaponized i didn't get it

1673
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,000
until i watched a few interviews and my

1674
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:12,160
curiosity has been radicalized are you

1675
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,040
kidding me

1676
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,799
what i've learned through all of this

1677
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,200
are you kidding me yeah of course man

1678
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,359
um so that's so for your audience that

1679
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,880
doesn't know i am

1680
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,040
accused rightfully so of saying

1681
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:24,799
weaponize your curiosity almost

1682
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:27,119
every time i talk and i make a point of

1683
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,720
doing it i think it's hilarious

1684
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,240
i think i like to see people get so

1685
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:32,799
upset about it what does weaponization

1686
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,200
have

1687
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,599
anything to do with it you know look

1688
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:37,440
your curiosity is your greatest weapon

1689
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,160
man

1690
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:41,040
it's what allows you to ask questions

1691
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,799
right if you don't ask questions you're

1692
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:44,160
never going to even get close to the

1693
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:45,680
answers so always make a joke weaponize

1694
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,720
your curiosity

1695
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:48,559
yes my [\h__\h] curiosity has been

1696
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:51,440
weaponized i got a few imdb credits here

1697
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,920
for you

1698
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,960
apparently you're still working on them

1699
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:54,319
so there's extraordinary beliefs it says

1700
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,440
it's a tv series you're filming

1701
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:56,960
immaculate deception filming

1702
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,280
indelible filming truth embargo filming

1703
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:01,200
storm area 51 filming

1704
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,799
and then post production on looking up

1705
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,240
in moonwalker is that true

1706
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,760
or are you just pretty much working on

1707
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:07,680
yeah and and i think people are going to

1708
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,400
be really

1709
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,160
upset if they try to put me on a

1710
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,160
timeline i'm one person

1711
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:14,720
yeah i'm filming on all of those some of

1712
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,200
them

1713
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,920
i think are probably finished filming

1714
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,760
and you know depending on where i

1715
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,319
put my uh effort next you know i'll come

1716
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,920
out with that film for example um

1717
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,240
immaculate deception i filmed as i said

1718
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:28,559
for seven or eight years with john lear

1719
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:31,760
that's that movie uh i i could make that

1720
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:32,400
movie

1721
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:35,839
not the time for it

1722
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,680
it's not the time for that movie um so

1723
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:42,079
all of those are projects of mine that

1724
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,359
are in the

1725
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,359
in the phase where they can start being

1726
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:47,280
edited but i don't know what i'm coming

1727
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,599
out

1728
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,599
with next i i haven't chosen how do you

1729
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:51,280
decide when the time is right to release

1730
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:52,559
a particular film

1731
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:55,359
right uh so for hunt for the skinwalker

1732
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,400
which was my second

1733
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,599
big film came out on hulu i knew

1734
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,839
it was time for that film to come out

1735
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:02,880
because if you

1736
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:05,119
watch the beginning of that film we

1737
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,240
announce

1738
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:09,280
that there's about to be a paradigm

1739
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,040
shift about ufos in the public

1740
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,839
that is before the new york times

1741
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:17,040
article came out

1742
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:20,720
identifying the ufo study programs

1743
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:23,760
so because i had prior knowledge

1744
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,960
that the u.s government was going to

1745
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,040
announce through the new york times that

1746
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,040
this was going to be announced

1747
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,359
i knew that film had to be made because

1748
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:35,040
what people didn't know

1749
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,040
is that a lot of those programs

1750
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:39,359
specifically tied back to skinwalker

1751
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,160
ranch

1752
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:43,680
before my film nobody had

1753
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:46,240
ever seen footage from inside of

1754
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:47,280
skinwalker ranch

1755
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:50,559
come out into the public domain for 25

1756
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:51,520
years

1757
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,880
never happened until my film

1758
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:57,040
so i knew it was yeah no continue

1759
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:57,920
continue please

1760
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,359
i knew it was time to release that film

1761
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,280
i knew it was time for that film

1762
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:03,920
because i had pre-knowledge that these

1763
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,319
um

1764
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,680
ufo cases were going to come out through

1765
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,760
the new york times speaking as a

1766
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,680
filmmaker how long did it take you to

1767
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:11,200
develop the relationship so that you can

1768
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,640
get inside knowledge because if you're

1769
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,079
just someone from the outside even if

1770
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:15,520
you say well i'm making a documentary on

1771
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,559
topic x

1772
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:18,240
you'll get a surface level clearance

1773
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:19,440
let's say and you don't have the

1774
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:20,799
connections how long did it take you to

1775
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:21,280
build it

1776
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,119
what'd you do what tactics i have a

1777
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:25,920
charming personality can't you tell

1778
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:28,400
that's my best tactic no i'm not look

1779
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,839
i'm i'm not in the military i don't have

1780
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:31,280
a security clearance i've never

1781
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:34,640
signed an nda for anything i mean

1782
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,480
you know i i i'm lucky i i have a good

1783
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:40,799
mentor in in george knapp he's certainly

1784
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,280
opened

1785
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,079
a lot of doors for me with with you know

1786
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:45,920
uh witnesses i'd like to say

1787
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:48,559
you know uh and and i think just over

1788
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,119
time

1789
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,720
i've been persistent about it i've been

1790
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,920
interested in ufos before i started

1791
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:52,960
making movies

1792
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,680
so i i look i've been able to be led

1793
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:57,839
into the annapolis naval academy

1794
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,799
and and sit in on classes uh you know

1795
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,400
have to do with aerospace

1796
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:04,960
i've i've made great connections with

1797
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:05,920
individuals who

1798
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,680
who would have access to these ufo-based

1799
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:11,359
programs within our within our

1800
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:11,920
government

1801
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:15,040
and i've never burned anybody i've never

1802
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,960
spoken out of school

1803
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,200
so the people that have come forward to

1804
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:21,040
me i've never burned them

1805
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:22,720
so imagine what i'm showing you in my

1806
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:24,000
films and the information that i'm

1807
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:25,280
bringing forward

1808
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:27,839
there's a lot more that i've never said

1809
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,400
because i

1810
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:30,319
would never burn somebody for giving me

1811
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,680
information

1812
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:33,520
has the government ever contacted you or

1813
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:34,960
followed you or have you received any

1814
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:35,440
threats

1815
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,400
or strange occurrences like lazar had

1816
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,920
his doors opened and his

1817
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,520
gun that was in his glove compartment

1818
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:43,599
put on his seat and so on

1819
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:46,880
yeah no i i've only been assisted uh by

1820
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,079
individuals

1821
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,400
within government and agencies i the

1822
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:52,000
only strange thing that ever happened to

1823
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:52,880
me

1824
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,520
was that that raid on bob lazar right in

1825
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,880
the middle of my filming and

1826
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,720
they waited we have the documents that

1827
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:00,960
show that they were watching

1828
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,920
you know in preparation for that raid

1829
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,839
while i was there in michigan

1830
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:08,160
uh filming bob but they waited till the

1831
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,200
cameras

1832
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,040
were gone i mean last thing they want is

1833
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,079
somebody filming the this raid uh

1834
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:16,400
so that's the only images we have is was

1835
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:17,760
bob and his employee just

1836
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,640
snap some some photos during it and

1837
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:22,559
that's where you see the 15 or so or

1838
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:23,920
more people

1839
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:26,880
uh so i've never had any negative thing

1840
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:27,280
people

1841
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:30,079
actually call me with tips all the time

1842
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:30,960
whether they can go

1843
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:34,319
public or not go public people now come

1844
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,599
to me

1845
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,599
and that's interesting so i think just

1846
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:38,880
over time

1847
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,200
people have realized and they've told me

1848
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:43,520
this people call me after the lazar film

1849
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,040
they're like i know bob's telling the

1850
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,280
truth and here's my little one thing i

1851
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:48,960
can tell you but i don't want

1852
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,440
anybody to know it came from me and they

1853
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,200
contact you over a phone text

1854
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:56,000
email or in person or letter or what uh

1855
01:01:04,630 --> 01:00:56,400
it

1856
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,640
and then she'll sort through there's you

1857
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,400
know hundreds of messages a day a lot of

1858
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,400
them are from crazy people

1859
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,079
and then you know she'll send me the

1860
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:12,160
ones that are you know seem promising

1861
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:13,520
and then some people want to talk on

1862
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,559
signal or

1863
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:17,359
an encrypted app or protonmail okay

1864
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:19,040
let's get to this bob lazar raid because

1865
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,440
i was

1866
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,359
unclear about something when it was

1867
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:23,040
shown in the film so let's say you were

1868
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,960
talking to bob

1869
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:27,200
some forested area if i recall i could

1870
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:28,559
be wrong either way whatever you're

1871
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:30,000
talking to bob i remember seeing trees

1872
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:31,680
so there's some trees

1873
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:34,480
is it away from his house or is it right

1874
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,920
in his backyard

1875
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,760
yeah well he he in michigan he had a

1876
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,760
large property and the scene you're

1877
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:41,200
you're talking about just for your

1878
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:42,079
audience

1879
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:45,280
so babazar has always claimed that these

1880
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:46,079
craft

1881
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,559
are gravity driven that there's a

1882
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:50,640
gravity wave amplification

1883
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:53,359
propulsion system in these saucers that

1884
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:53,920
he

1885
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:57,599
power propulsion

1886
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:00,960
in one of them he also claimed

1887
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,480
that the craft was fueled

1888
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:06,799
by a super heavy element called element

1889
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:08,319
115

1890
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:14,240
that is stable that where it's half life

1891
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,160
is significantly long enough to

1892
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,559
to to have these properties so bob has

1893
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:20,880
always claimed that

1894
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,039
in the film i was asking him

1895
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:25,200
specifically about that

1896
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:28,240
and about the claim that he got a piece

1897
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,280
of these stabilized 115

1898
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:34,079
out of los alamos actually people

1899
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:34,480
thought

1900
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,160
it's site 4 51 it's not he he claimed

1901
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,559
he got a piece out of los alamos

1902
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,920
national laboratory where they were

1903
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:43,200
machining

1904
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:46,960
the element 115 to send back to the test

1905
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,599
site

1906
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,680
i see but the people at los alamos

1907
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:51,280
didn't know what they were machining

1908
01:02:56,109 --> 01:02:52,960
correct it's a contracted job according

1909
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,119
to bob it was shipped under a code name

1910
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:58,960
la-1000 and they would tell the

1911
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,680
machinist

1912
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,359
that it was an exotic armor and the

1913
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,440
machine is not going to sit there with

1914
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,440
spectroscopy and like figure out you

1915
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:07,839
know the composition it's okay cool

1916
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,720
i'm going to machine this precisely so

1917
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,839
they would bring it in

1918
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,680
and they'd machine it in a very specific

1919
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:15,440
way that you can see kind of detailed on

1920
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:16,960
my youtube

1921
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,079
bit in the film and uh

1922
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:22,559
bob did claim to to get at least one

1923
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,359
piece out

1924
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:25,920
from los alamos and he's been very cagey

1925
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:26,799
about that

1926
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:30,160
although he did do an experiment a cloud

1927
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,960
chamber test

1928
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:32,559
and there were witnesses and i've spoken

1929
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:34,000
with all of them

1930
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,760
there are witnesses in the room with him

1931
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:37,359
at home and

1932
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:40,000
i'll tell you this bob believed that he

1933
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,920
had a piece of element 115.

1934
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,680
his friends who were scientists many of

1935
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:45,359
them scientists george knapp saw the

1936
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:47,119
experiment as well

1937
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:50,480
uh they believed that he had a very

1938
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:50,960
unique

1939
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:53,280
element that had properties that had yet

1940
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:54,559
to be seen

1941
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:56,559
and this was before laser pointers right

1942
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:58,160
so they were doing a cloud chamber test

1943
01:04:02,470 --> 01:03:59,200
to show how light

1944
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:02,480
uh bent because of the i guess gravity

1945
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,440
differential

1946
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:06,240
with the with the piece of 115. if you

1947
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:07,599
had a laser pointer back then you could

1948
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:08,640
just shine a laser

1949
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:10,880
laser over it and if it was real it

1950
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:11,760
would have been

1951
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:13,599
but they didn't at that time it weren't

1952
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:16,240
readily available this was 1989

1953
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,839
so they did a cloud chamber experiment

1954
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:19,839
bob's backyard i mean bob's a smart guy

1955
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:22,240
he built uh two particle accelerators

1956
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:24,400
uh one in new mexico and one in his

1957
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:26,000
bedroom in las vegas

1958
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,160
uh you know he's a very technical guy

1959
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:29,520
and a really

1960
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:32,799
interesting scientist and uh

1961
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:36,160
so that talk in my movie

1962
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:39,200
in the forest you know was

1963
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:42,400
i don't know uh 600 meters away

1964
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,319
from bob's front door right it's a

1965
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:46,079
pretty significant distance on his

1966
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,599
property

1967
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,520
and we thought our conversation was

1968
01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:50,880
private and

1969
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:53,440
in my film i i just show you a little

1970
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:54,319
bit i show

1971
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:56,240
the viewer that we are talking about

1972
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:57,760
element 115.

1973
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,680
we are talking about the idea that he

1974
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:01,440
might have retrieved a

1975
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:05,599
sample of element 115 and if you believe

1976
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:09,119
that he did that might give a rational

1977
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:12,559
explanation for the intense fbi

1978
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:15,599
multi-agency raid of his facility

1979
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,720
which happened the next day the day i

1980
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:20,400
left

1981
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:23,599
so uh that was the point in the movie

1982
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,520
now of course i i fast forwarded through

1983
01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:27,119
that scene of the movie i am not showing

1984
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,910
okay so it's an insinuation that the fbi

1985
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:37,760
or the cia or whatever it may be was

1986
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,880
listening to you

1987
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:40,480
even though you were 600 meters away

1988
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:43,520
from the house oh they were yeah

1989
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:45,920
so like with some sort of shotgun

1990
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:47,119
microphone or

1991
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:50,319
we don't place transmitters man i got to

1992
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:50,799
tell you

1993
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:53,680
it drove us crazy i mean bob initially

1994
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:54,640
thought

1995
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,760
i talked you know bob bob

1996
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:59,599
i think all the fingers were pointed at

1997
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:00,880
me from bob

1998
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:03,359
and bob's friends you know i was the guy

1999
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,920
with camera equipment recording devices

2000
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:08,000
and when they came and said we know you

2001
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:09,920
had a conversation

2002
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:12,240
and we know you know some of the

2003
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:13,280
specifics

2004
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:17,440
of that conversation uh it terrified us

2005
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:18,079
okay so

2006
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:19,359
let me break this down for you so it

2007
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:22,319
doesn't sound so cloak and dagger

2008
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:25,440
we go out to where we thought was

2009
01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:28,400
remote on bob's property out of

2010
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,319
precaution we're about okay we're about

2011
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:32,240
to talk about element 115.

2012
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:34,960
we're about to talk if bob lazar got

2013
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:37,440
element 115 out of los alamos this

2014
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:40,559
this super heavy element that apparently

2015
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:42,559
was brought here 500 pounds was brought

2016
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:43,920
here from somewhere else

2017
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,799
and our government was was using it in

2018
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:48,400
these non-terrestrial craft i mean it's

2019
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:48,880
a

2020
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:52,480
the truth

2021
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:55,359
just consider that for a second just for

2022
01:07:05,190 --> 01:06:55,760
a

2023
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:05,200
they

2024
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:08,720
evidence

2025
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:11,039
of an advanced civilization not from

2026
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:11,839
this earth

2027
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:14,240
and these craft are you know show a

2028
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:15,359
technology

2029
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:17,119
that's way beyond what we have just

2030
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:20,319
imagine that he's telling you the truth

2031
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:22,000
and then he says he got a piece of

2032
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:23,440
element 115

2033
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,640
out of los alamos now

2034
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:29,039
our government would want that back yeah

2035
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,240
so the idea

2036
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:32,799
is this is the one thing that's keeping

2037
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:34,000
him alive

2038
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:37,200
is that he's got this piece stashed

2039
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:37,920
somewhere

2040
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:40,480
so he's about to to tell me about this

2041
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:42,000
and we're going to talk through this and

2042
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:43,359
we're going to talk about how you could

2043
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:44,720
get this out to the public

2044
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,079
that's the premise here so no shortcuts

2045
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:50,480
that's the premise so out of caution i

2046
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,520
was like well bob

2047
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,760
if you are telling the truth let's let's

2048
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:55,440
just go out of your house and he's like

2049
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,160
well no one's

2050
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,720
no one cares this is 30 years ago you

2051
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:00,319
know nobody nobody cares about me

2052
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,680
anymore

2053
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:03,440
and i'm like well let's just go anyway

2054
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:05,359
so we go out you know to this forested

2055
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,920
area

2056
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:07,760
and then as i'm recording with him i'm

2057
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:09,200
like you know

2058
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:11,119
we have cell phones i'm like maybe i

2059
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:12,640
should put those cell phones like

2060
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:14,960
over there so i took the cell phones we

2061
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:16,080
turned them off and i

2062
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:19,600
ditched them about 200 meters away

2063
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:21,920
and we kind of joked about it like who

2064
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:25,040
cares no one's watching no one cares

2065
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:26,560
right

2066
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,719
and then come to find out the next day

2067
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:30,400
he gets raided

2068
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:34,000
by multiple agencies now you can believe

2069
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:37,120
you know bob's version you know my

2070
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:37,839
version

2071
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:40,400
or you know the the the documents that

2072
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,960
we have

2073
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:43,120
found the they say they were there on an

2074
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:44,960
unrelated issue all these agencies were

2075
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,279
there

2076
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,279
because of thallium that you know that

2077
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,120
he might have thallium

2078
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:51,040
you know that he was selling he didn't

2079
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:52,799
uh not not in the way that

2080
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:56,080
that they said so

2081
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:57,600
in bob's experience this is not the

2082
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,359
first time he's been raided by

2083
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:01,359
multiple agencies and people that have

2084
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:03,279
been on those raids i was able to talk

2085
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:04,319
with one

2086
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:05,600
and they're like this is the weirdest

2087
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:07,520
raid in the world we didn't know what we

2088
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:08,960
were looking for

2089
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,839
but the way bob experienced it and you

2090
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:13,520
have to take bob's word on it or or

2091
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:13,920
don't

2092
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:16,960
that

2093
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:19,920
they came in they could care less about

2094
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:21,040
this potential

2095
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,080
thallium that they they quartered off in

2096
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:26,159
grids his entire building which i know

2097
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,719
to be true

2098
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,960
i talked to the employees i have some

2099
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,000
photos

2100
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,120
and they were looking for

2101
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,960
the element 115 this is what he said on

2102
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,040
larry king and i stand by it as well

2103
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:40,080
and the one thing they did was they

2104
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,880
repeated

2105
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:43,040
i'll just say the best way to say it is

2106
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:49,910
part of our conversation and it was

2107
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:53,120
mystifying i mean bob immediately

2108
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:53,600
thought i

2109
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:56,239
i leaked the feds hmm they mentioned

2110
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,840
your name or they just said you recently

2111
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:59,440
talked to someone and this is what you

2112
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:00,239
said

2113
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:03,120
are we here i have to dance around this

2114
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:03,840
part but

2115
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:07,440
word for word the conversation

2116
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:11,440
was relayed to bob there was no doubt

2117
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:14,840
that there was recording of that

2118
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:16,159
conversation

2119
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:19,679
now it's not so weird when you find out

2120
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:22,560
through official documents that they had

2121
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:23,280
been

2122
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:26,320
um surveilling both his home

2123
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:29,280
and his place of business two days prior

2124
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:30,480
to the raid

2125
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,920
when i was there so now how did they

2126
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,840
achieve that recording

2127
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:38,000
i i have some friends that do these

2128
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,280
types of raids

2129
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:41,360
in federal agencies and i have spoken

2130
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,320
with them

2131
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:44,400
and i have learned that there are

2132
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:46,480
multiple ways to do this

2133
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:50,000
multiple ways for example for example

2134
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:52,320
they have a very cool technology that

2135
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,280
you can point at

2136
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:55,840
any window in any house and the

2137
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,199
vibrations of the

2138
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,840
of the voice can be picked up off of

2139
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:01,440
those windows now obviously we were in

2140
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:02,320
the woods

2141
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:05,600
right so how did they get it

2142
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:08,000
um we have theorized over and over we've

2143
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,760
looked into the technologies

2144
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,440
we thought it could be our phones and

2145
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:12,960
that that's the number one

2146
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:15,840
culprit right now we thought our phones

2147
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:18,159
had been turned into listening devices

2148
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,600
because they knew a certain amount

2149
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:23,440
if they had heard that whole

2150
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:24,800
conversation

2151
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:27,760
they would have no need to speak with

2152
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:28,640
bob

2153
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:32,320
okay so so clearly at some point

2154
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:33,520
what do you mean by that if they'd heard

2155
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,719
the whole conversation they wouldn't

2156
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:36,480
need to speak with him

2157
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:39,679
meaning that bob conveyed to me the

2158
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:40,480
details

2159
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:44,000
of the element 115 and potentially if he

2160
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:45,120
had some

2161
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:48,239
where he stashed it i see i see i see

2162
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,520
so they wouldn't need to contact bob

2163
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,679
okay because i was thinking that perhaps

2164
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:55,199
what it is is you said that you go home

2165
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,480
and you edit your footage

2166
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:58,239
i know for me i upload my footage

2167
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:59,600
simultaneously so it's syncing so i

2168
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,719
don't lose a backup and i thought

2169
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:02,320
perhaps when you went home you sunk it

2170
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,600
up somewhere

2171
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:05,440
and they have access to that and i was

2172
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,280
so paranoid about it first of all

2173
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:09,280
bob lazar had never let anybody into his

2174
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:10,719
life to film with him

2175
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,800
right yeah so i was every card i had

2176
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:17,280
was connected directly to a computer

2177
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:18,640
that never went online

2178
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:21,040
there is no way interesting yeah there

2179
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,159
is no way

2180
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:24,159
that that anybody was able to get that

2181
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:25,199
out of the ether

2182
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,920
you know so first thing you know i

2183
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,760
thought is we we went out to dinner that

2184
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,800
night you know

2185
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:33,040
did somebody come and like get my

2186
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:34,480
computer card and like

2187
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:35,920
but it was it was there right where i

2188
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:38,480
left it and i don't see that as a

2189
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,440
possibility

2190
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,640
at this time i mean he didn't have

2191
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,640
security cameras up on his home

2192
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:44,640
but i don't see that as a possibility

2193
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:47,040
and and just the mere fact

2194
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,080
that they decided

2195
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,800
to look at his place of business for the

2196
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:54,080
elderly

2197
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,280
they they didn't hear the rest of the

2198
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:57,120
conversation i see

2199
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:58,880
i've never talked about this but that is

2200
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,320
that is uh how i

2201
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,880
understand it you know someone that

2202
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:04,320
doesn't want to believe bob this is just

2203
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:05,040
another

2204
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,560
reason to not believe in this this

2205
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:08,239
sounds so crazy but

2206
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:09,760
i'll tell you it happened and it

2207
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:11,840
happened exactly the way i'm telling you

2208
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:15,440
and i'm dead sure that our conversation

2209
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,480
was monitored

2210
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:18,239
that they were able to record that

2211
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,840
conversation

2212
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,600
and that they had full knowledge of that

2213
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:23,600
conversation until i put the phones to

2214
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:24,320
the side

2215
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:27,199
and that's why i think it was the phones

2216
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:28,239
because

2217
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:31,199
and by the way if you write to them okay

2218
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,920
yeah

2219
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,760
so the second part of that recording

2220
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:35,520
which is by the way now spread out on

2221
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:38,000
multiple drives in multiple states

2222
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:39,679
you know it's never going away that

2223
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,760
footage like i have that footage there's

2224
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:43,280
no stopping it from coming out

2225
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,400
at it like it will come out one day uh

2226
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:48,480
when the time is right but you know the

2227
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:50,000
point is i think

2228
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:54,159
it was the phones there are cool ways

2229
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,360
it makes the most sense it makes more

2230
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:57,840
sense it does but if you if you

2231
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,040
if you appeal to the nsa who

2232
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,679
who dictates some of these fisa warrants

2233
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:05,760
and and you know these phone taps

2234
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:08,080
they can never confirm nor deny so

2235
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:10,159
you'll never get any information so i'm

2236
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,920
unable to get any information

2237
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:13,760
if that is true or not if it was the

2238
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:15,280
point too bad too bad

2239
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,880
oh wait why did you say that this is

2240
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:18,480
what's keeping bob alive this is

2241
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:20,080
something i've thought about i'm sure

2242
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:20,800
many people

2243
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:23,199
as well it's like okay if let's say bob

2244
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:24,400
is telling the truth

2245
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:26,560
why doesn't the government from day one

2246
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:27,440
or day two

2247
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:29,440
just kill him there's many ways that you

2248
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:30,960
can kill someone like you know breaking

2249
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,480
bad you can just give someone ricin and

2250
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:33,760
make it look like they have the flu or

2251
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,600
especially right now during covet

2252
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:37,760
yeah so why is he still yeah that would

2253
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:39,600
be a lie that would be a bad idea a

2254
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:40,800
smart man like bob

2255
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,040
you know has ways to to get information

2256
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:44,880
out if he were to go missing so

2257
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:49,920
um you know look again this is uh

2258
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,760
this is a diff it's a very touchy

2259
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:53,440
situation bob wouldn't even talk about

2260
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,480
element 115

2261
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:56,159
everything i'm saying now was was off

2262
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,760
limits when i first started

2263
01:15:01,030 --> 01:15:00,159
filming with him because if you believe

2264
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:01,040
bob

2265
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:04,239
this is real world implications somebody

2266
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:04,960
had to get

2267
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:08,000
him the 115 out of los alamos a

2268
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,520
machinist

2269
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:11,600
that could be very problematic like

2270
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:12,960
that's a real

2271
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,960
problem that's a you get charged you get

2272
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:16,640
thrown away for smuggling i mean that's

2273
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:17,679
a bad thing

2274
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:20,480
so if we believe bob and i'm okay if

2275
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,520
people don't like i'm

2276
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,760
totally cool if people don't believe him

2277
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,600
i wouldn't believe him if i didn't have

2278
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:28,320
the direct access to everybody in his

2279
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:29,440
life you know

2280
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:32,719
where i realized the story is true um

2281
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:34,159
so i don't expect anybody to believe it

2282
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:36,159
but if we just suspend disbelief for a

2283
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:37,760
moment

2284
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:41,040
and we believe bob i would

2285
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:45,199
project that one of the reasons why

2286
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:48,719
babazar was not killed for speaking out

2287
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,760
is because one

2288
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:51,679
who's going to believe it you know

2289
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:54,239
before december of 2018 and the us

2290
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:54,719
government

2291
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,880
studying ufos who's gonna believe bob

2292
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,000
not many people

2293
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,800
so is he really a threat but a physical

2294
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:02,159
piece of evidence

2295
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:05,040
i would suspect that is the reason why

2296
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,719
he's not just given ryzen

2297
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:08,159
to be killed because they know he

2298
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,760
probably has a backup plan so

2299
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,840
if you are to believe bob i would think

2300
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:12,960
that's a

2301
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,640
careful if i was bob

2302
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:19,360
and i see yeah when i was watching i

2303
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:20,800
think it was called immaculate deception

2304
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:21,760
with john lear

2305
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,840
yeah i put out an episode of that yeah

2306
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:25,280
when i was watching that there was this

2307
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,480
clip with him saying

2308
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,800
behind me maybe soon there's going to be

2309
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:30,640
some ufos flying

2310
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:32,560
that reminded me of what bob did is he

2311
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:33,920
doing the same thing that bob did where

2312
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:35,280
he gets some of his friends to film it

2313
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:36,320
because he knows the

2314
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:37,760
schedule of when these crafts are gonna

2315
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:40,320
fly no no i think i think

2316
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,719
john lear's got a few screws loose i

2317
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:44,159
mean people are gonna hate me for saying

2318
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:45,520
that you know uh

2319
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:48,159
but he does i mean i i love john he's

2320
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:49,360
like my crazy uncle

2321
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:51,120
you know he he does not love me anymore

2322
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:53,120
he's very mad at me you know

2323
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:56,880
uh because oh it's a long story

2324
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:58,800
it's you know john's a conspiracy

2325
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:00,640
theorist he was very difficult to work

2326
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:02,640
he sabotaged his own movie the movie i

2327
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:04,080
was working on for seven years he just

2328
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:05,679
killed it dead in the water because of

2329
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:06,800
his actions

2330
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,520
i mean he's john's pretty wild are you

2331
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:10,800
allowed to talk about that

2332
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:13,040
yeah i'm under no contract yeah okay

2333
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:15,199
what do you mean how did he sabotage it

2334
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:18,000
um well i had filmed with john for for

2335
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:19,040
many years

2336
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:20,800
and i had a really good relationship

2337
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,679
with him and when it came down to

2338
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:25,920
you know kind of his life rights and and

2339
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:27,760
finally

2340
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:29,920
relinquishing and letting me make the

2341
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:31,920
film he decided to sign him over on a

2342
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:33,840
napkin to his daughter basically

2343
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:36,560
so when i had brought in other producers

2344
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:38,159
and people to come help bring this to

2345
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,040
life

2346
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:41,120
you know it was kind of like you know

2347
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:42,800
maybe there's money to be made

2348
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:45,840
was his thought or something and

2349
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,800
just sabotaged the whole thing so that's

2350
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:50,159
my version of it at least

2351
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,000
it's sad because he was a friend and i

2352
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:54,400
really um

2353
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:57,360
i care for john but he's i think he

2354
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:58,080
wanted to be the

2355
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:59,520
star of the movie and when i made the

2356
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,520
bob lazar movie i think he was

2357
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:03,600
very upset the movie wasn't about him

2358
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,199
yeah oh

2359
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,440
interesting yeah yeah but you know for

2360
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:09,120
the record i love john lear

2361
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:11,679
i wish him well i care about him very

2362
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:12,480
much

2363
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,719
just unfortunately he's sabotaged a lot

2364
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:16,239
of things in his life and this is one of

2365
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:17,600
them

2366
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:20,000
as for why john lear hasn't been killed

2367
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:21,360
why do you think that is

2368
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,390
but in the beginning you said look this

2369
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:28,000
is someone who worked for the cia

2370
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:30,400
as a pilot and he has here's some world

2371
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:31,520
records that he has

2372
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:34,560
oh yeah no he he's done he's had phases

2373
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:35,600
of credibility

2374
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,560
for sure like uh you know look he's an

2375
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:40,560
exceptional man at one point he was the

2376
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:41,520
youngest person

2377
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:43,360
ever to climb the matterhorn like the

2378
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:45,040
guy was

2379
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,199
an explorer he was right about area 51

2380
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:51,520
uh the term area 51 he was right about

2381
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:53,520
what they were doing there he actually

2382
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:56,000
was able look he comes from the leer

2383
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:56,719
family

2384
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,560
so at the news agencies in vegas like

2385
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:00,000
the guy has some credibility

2386
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,440
you know he was right about

2387
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:05,760
some of the back engineering of the mig

2388
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,719
the russian mig

2389
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,480
fighter they were doing and he got

2390
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:10,239
photos

2391
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:13,280
of the uh the stealth fighter and and

2392
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:14,719
leaked them to a guy named

2393
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:18,239
ned day in in las vegas a reporter

2394
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:21,600
who was george knapp's mentor so

2395
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:24,719
he had this credibility of being a guy

2396
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:26,560
that goes out in 1977

2397
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:29,920
takes the best photo ever of area 51

2398
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:33,760
at lake level i have that photo i mean

2399
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:35,120
this is like

2400
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,239
um hold on just take me one second but i

2401
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:40,640
think it's worthy

2402
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:42,560
those are the neodymium magnets man

2403
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:44,320
those things are strong

2404
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:47,440
this is a photo from john lear this is

2405
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:47,760
the

2406
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:52,480
went to air 51

2407
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:55,600
at lake level the only security was a

2408
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:56,400
chain

2409
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:00,560
lake level

2410
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:02,880
and he takes a panoramic of photos and

2411
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,080
he sees in the distance

2412
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,639
a car coming and it's kicking up dust

2413
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:08,000
right so you can see it coming from a

2414
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:09,360
long way away and he's like oh they're

2415
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:10,080
coming

2416
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:11,920
so he took that the camera he took the

2417
01:20:17,669 --> 01:20:14,400
film put it under his ashtray

2418
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:17,679
put in a new uh roll of film took the

2419
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,120
identical pictures

2420
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:21,520
and when they rolled up on him they said

2421
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:22,639
we know who you are

2422
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:25,760
you got a camera give us the film pops

2423
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:26,719
up in the camera

2424
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,560
gives them the film they never asked if

2425
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:30,719
he had another duplicate set

2426
01:20:34,590 --> 01:20:32,719
inside his ashtray it's a great idea

2427
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:34,600
right so he comes out

2428
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:37,840
1977 and gives us the best photos

2429
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:42,239
ever of groom lake area 51

2430
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:45,760
at close range and again nobody had ever

2431
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:46,000
done

2432
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:48,960
that before he wrote to me uh he said uh

2433
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,679
jeremy

2434
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:52,239
it's groom lakey [\h__\h] let's go

2435
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:53,040
wednesday

2436
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:56,080
and we went that photo doesn't seem to

2437
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:57,600
show anything incriminating other than

2438
01:21:02,390 --> 01:20:59,120
that there are buildings at area 50

2439
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:02,400
no no just in 1977 it showed

2440
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:05,120
it it shows groom lake like there has

2441
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:07,280
not been a photo of grim lake

2442
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:10,239
since john lear's 1977 photos that have

2443
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:11,920
been that close up

2444
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,760
so it's just at the time in particular

2445
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:15,199
was really

2446
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:18,080
crazy he's exposing this military base

2447
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:18,880
that people

2448
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:21,840
didn't even acknowledge the name of so

2449
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:25,040
so john had credibility

2450
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:26,719
and then when he came forward to george

2451
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:29,520
knapp about ufos

2452
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:31,600
no one wanted to touch it george's

2453
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,360
bosses didn't want to touch it george's

2454
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:34,960
boss famously said or

2455
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:38,000
his mentor ned day famously said if any

2456
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:39,440
of this were real

2457
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:41,520
i would have known about it which was

2458
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:43,520
like it's like the worst you know

2459
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:46,400
attitude because it was real area 51 was

2460
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,679
real what's going on there

2461
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:49,040
and he didn't know about it so that's

2462
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:50,880
when george knapp picked up all the ufo

2463
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:51,440
stuff

2464
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:54,480
and did his first report when you said

2465
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:55,440
that ufos

2466
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,520
are just some small part of a larger

2467
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:59,440
yeah project what did you meant

2468
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:01,120
phenomenal what do you mean i'd like to

2469
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:02,560
say to the phenomenon i believe

2470
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:04,000
from well the evidence shows me that

2471
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,400
ufos is a very small aspect of a much

2472
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:08,880
larger phenomenon okay so what i mean by

2473
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:09,520
that is that

2474
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:12,480
ufos appear to be part of a larger

2475
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,000
phenomenon meaning

2476
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:17,040
ufos are are kind of an auxiliary

2477
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:21,840
uh implication of a much larger reality

2478
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:25,199
so this idea that what we're seeing are

2479
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:27,360
machines from other planets i i'm

2480
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,199
unconvinced what we may be seeing

2481
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:34,320
is an alternate reality you know maybe

2482
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,000
it is something closer to

2483
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,800
you know dimensional travel there seems

2484
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,840
to be

2485
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:42,320
another version of reality that is

2486
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:43,600
occurring

2487
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:46,400
and that somehow once in a while they

2488
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:46,719
they

2489
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:49,760
reality

2490
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:52,880
and this is not just from a cursory look

2491
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:54,080
at the ufo phenomenon

2492
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:57,120
this is from talking with thousands of

2493
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,639
close encounter eyewitnesses who tell me

2494
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:02,639
that this is something bigger than just

2495
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:04,639
flying machines to give you an example

2496
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,080
at skinwalker ranch

2497
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:08,400
the report is that a piece of the sky

2498
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:09,440
opened up like a

2499
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:12,800
tear and out of this terror came

2500
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:16,960
beings you know uh came craft

2501
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:20,080
so so ufos is a symptom it's part of

2502
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:20,400
this

2503
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:22,880
alternate reality the phenomenon as i

2504
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:23,600
call it

2505
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:26,800
but it's it's not just about ufos ufos

2506
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:27,600
represent

2507
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:30,080
this phenomenon what other phenomenon

2508
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:31,040
are there

2509
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:34,000
bigfoot ghosts i i don't know if they're

2510
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:35,520
related to i mean

2511
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:38,800
yeah i i wish i i knew or i could stand

2512
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,600
firm and saying

2513
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:41,360
i know this to be true skinwalker ranch

2514
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:43,120
is the best example of this

2515
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:45,120
because you have ufo phenomena but you

2516
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,159
also you also have cattle mutilation

2517
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:50,400
which is often associated with lights in

2518
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:52,080
the sky

2519
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:54,400
so so cattle mutilation is something as

2520
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:55,760
an example concrete example

2521
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:58,000
cattle mutilation is this a ufo

2522
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:59,600
phenomenon or is this a government

2523
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:00,719
experiment

2524
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,960
or is this a private corporation that's

2525
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,639
going around mutilating these

2526
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:06,239
cows and draining their blood in the

2527
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:08,080
dead of night

2528
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:12,159
nobody has ever been caught

2529
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:14,880
during these cattle mutilations that are

2530
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:15,760
homogeneous

2531
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:17,920
they are the same across the board

2532
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,600
they're drained of blood there's two

2533
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:21,600
types of incisions they take the same

2534
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,159
things

2535
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:24,560
the genitals the sexual organs piece of

2536
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:25,440
the cheek

2537
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:28,840
and an eye in an ear it's the same thing

2538
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:32,159
so the this is associated with the ufo

2539
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,040
phenomenon

2540
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:36,080
because the farmers and people that that

2541
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:39,360
are cattle ranchers they see ufos often

2542
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:39,840
times

2543
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:42,000
during these mutilations so i can't

2544
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:43,199
separate them

2545
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:46,000
okay so we got ufos tied with cattle

2546
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:47,360
mutilation okay that one i can

2547
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:48,719
understand i mean

2548
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:50,320
i've heard of that since i was a kid

2549
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:51,840
okay what else

2550
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:54,960
that's tied to ufos what else tied to

2551
01:24:58,149 --> 01:24:55,840
ufos i mean

2552
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:58,159
i don't know the experiences are so wild

2553
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,679
man i mean when people

2554
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:02,000
you know get engaged with these uh

2555
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:03,679
entities you know people have had

2556
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:05,920
it's not just heart it's not like craft

2557
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,280
come in there no one's flying them i'll

2558
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:09,679
give you an example the aerial school

2559
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:12,639
this is an amazing case in south africa

2560
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:13,199
and

2561
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:16,719
you know 80 kids or something saw these

2562
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:17,360
craft

2563
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:19,360
land in the field by their school all

2564
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,239
these kids the bbc came the next day

2565
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:24,400
and interviewed these kids with head of

2566
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,080
harvard psychiatry

2567
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:28,800
john mack john mack gets out there they

2568
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:29,760
interview the kids

2569
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:32,000
they all say the same thing these craft

2570
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:32,960
came down

2571
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:35,600
and they were little beings on the craft

2572
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:36,639
with these huge

2573
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:40,000
almond-shaped eyes and i personally know

2574
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:41,600
two of the children they were at the

2575
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:43,040
time children

2576
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,960
and then now they're adults and they

2577
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,400
they they

2578
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:48,560
were within meters i mean within four

2579
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:50,159
feet one of them was in four feet

2580
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:53,600
of one of these beings bipedal being

2581
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:56,400
wearing like a suit a gray alien kind of

2582
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,800
thing

2583
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:58,400
with these huge almond shaped eyes that

2584
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,400
that she said mesmerized her

2585
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,159
this is somebody who's not lying i mean

2586
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,239
all these kids saw it again john mack at

2587
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,760
harvard psychiatry went and

2588
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:07,440
he was head of harvard psychiatry and he

2589
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:10,000
went interviewed them with the bbc

2590
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:12,560
it's a historic case and what was his

2591
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,679
conclusion

2592
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:15,440
that they're telling the truth that they

2593
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,960
saw exactly what they said they saw you

2594
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:18,400
can't make it up across

2595
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:19,840
all these kids with the same

2596
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:22,400
explanations and uh lisa and salma are

2597
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:23,040
the two

2598
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,679
uh females who were there as kids that i

2599
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,440
know now current day

2600
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,840
and it has affected their lives if you

2601
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,960
look at footage of them

2602
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:32,639
talking to john mack on the bbc and

2603
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:34,320
they're talking about how they were

2604
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,800
mesmerized and then they showed them

2605
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:37,920
like images

2606
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:40,639
in their in their mind's eye like a

2607
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,600
movie

2608
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:43,840
of the destruction of our planet and how

2609
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:45,040
we have to be more

2610
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:47,600
careful with our ecosystem and our earth

2611
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:48,880
and we need to treat it right

2612
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:51,760
or doomed well you know back when this

2613
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,480
happened

2614
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:54,800
that wasn't a huge topic of conversation

2615
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:57,280
like it is today with climate change

2616
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:00,480
so these children took on the burden

2617
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:03,360
of telling people what these aliens told

2618
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:04,239
them

2619
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:07,840
so that's a good example of a phenomenon

2620
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,000
that goes beyond just the hard craft

2621
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,239
right and goes into the beings operating

2622
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:14,080
them why did these

2623
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:15,360
i know you're just going to have to

2624
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,960
speculate but why do you think these

2625
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:18,159
aliens came to these

2626
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:19,840
african children instead of going to

2627
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:21,760
some places that could make a difference

2628
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:22,239
now

2629
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,679
given let's say they're a court they're

2630
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:25,440
the ceo of some corporation that's

2631
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:27,360
exporting negative externalities in the

2632
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:28,800
form of pollution

2633
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:31,199
much higher than these 80 african

2634
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:32,320
children why do you think that they went

2635
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,280
to them

2636
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:35,280
yeah i mean again you were right i have

2637
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:37,440
to speculate i mean i have no insight no

2638
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:38,800
it's okay who cares who cares let's

2639
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:40,639
speculate it's fine i'm curious

2640
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:43,920
yeah give me some ideas sure let me toy

2641
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:44,480
with it

2642
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:46,639
yeah yeah for sure so total speculation

2643
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:48,239
i mean i'm not trying to be evasive

2644
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:49,440
about it i just like you know really

2645
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:50,880
when i don't know something dude i don't

2646
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:51,920
[\h__\h] know it

2647
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:55,679
so here's the deal these beings these

2648
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,440
craft these entities

2649
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:59,520
maybe they're all playing the same game

2650
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:00,960
and on the same team

2651
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,639
maybe they're not maybe there's

2652
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:04,800
competing agendas

2653
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:09,120
and maybe this is a learning process

2654
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:10,480
maybe

2655
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:13,280
it's it's so weird to think that that we

2656
01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:14,320
might not have a

2657
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:16,880
even a most simple grasp on what's going

2658
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:18,320
on with ufos and

2659
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:21,760
this alien presence whatever this is

2660
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:24,639
maybe it's so much stranger again maybe

2661
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,080
we're a commodity

2662
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:29,360
maybe humanity itself uh in one of the

2663
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:30,239
documents that

2664
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:34,000
bob lazar read it called this containers

2665
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:35,760
you know containers yeah yeah i heard

2666
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:38,880
them yeah containers of what

2667
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:41,920
you know blood are we containers of of

2668
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:43,120
souls

2669
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,639
i don't even know what a soul is what is

2670
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:46,239
a soul so

2671
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,440
maybe one of the crazier theories

2672
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:51,360
you know maybe we're containers for the

2673
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:54,239
maturation of souls like a nice wine

2674
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:56,159
you know and we're a commodity in some

2675
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,600
way just like we would

2676
01:29:01,189 --> 01:28:59,520
you know make sure that our livestock

2677
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:01,199
doesn't spread a disease

2678
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:04,320
that eliminates them you know we're

2679
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:05,520
being

2680
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,639
that we don't

2681
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:10,239
blow up our earth with our nuclear

2682
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:11,840
weapons because somehow we're important

2683
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,400
to them

2684
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:14,239
the nefarious version is where a

2685
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:15,440
commodity

2686
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:18,480
the non-nefarious version you know the

2687
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:21,040
the positive version is that you know

2688
01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:22,800
we're a sample of life

2689
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:24,159
and and they want us to get through our

2690
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:25,840
primitive stage of

2691
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,159
of warfare and self-destruction and

2692
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:30,400
violence and hatred and racism and

2693
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:33,440
horrible [\h__\h] so that we can thrive in a

2694
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:34,560
larger

2695
01:29:40,709 --> 01:29:38,480
community um i don't know

2696
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:40,719
that was somewhat haunting when i heard

2697
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:42,080
that

2698
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:45,360
refer to us as containers like

2699
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:47,280
let's imagine it's true is this just a

2700
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:48,639
somewhat terrifying thought i mean

2701
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:51,199
depends on what you're containing

2702
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:53,280
well again i mean we're talking we're on

2703
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,280
real fringe territory here most people

2704
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:56,800
they're worried about you know

2705
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:58,639
where their next paycheck is coming from

2706
01:30:01,910 --> 01:30:00,639
my dog where the where the next

2707
01:30:03,669 --> 01:30:01,920
paychecks coming from

2708
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:03,679
you know people are worried about you

2709
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:05,679
know keeping the

2710
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:07,920
peace within their own family people are

2711
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:09,920
worried about not giving a loved one

2712
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:13,280
covid i mean this this idea i think is

2713
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,320
very important

2714
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:16,480
that we are not alone in the universe

2715
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:17,920
that we are being visited by

2716
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:19,920
intelligence it's far technologically

2717
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,600
superior to humanity

2718
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:23,280
and that we've been visited for a long

2719
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:26,480
time and that there is a message being

2720
01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:26,880
sent

2721
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:30,080
in some ways to some people don't [\h__\h]

2722
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:31,199
up where you live

2723
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:32,880
and if that's the case if that's what

2724
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:35,360
really what's going on

2725
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:38,400
it's it's an important message but in

2726
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:40,000
some ways it's also

2727
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:41,440
a fatalistic one because it doesn't

2728
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:43,280
matter what we do they may save us if

2729
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:44,560
it's in their best interest and they

2730
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:45,600
have extremely

2731
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:48,800
advanced technology so why should we

2732
01:30:52,149 --> 01:30:50,560
clean up the environment they they'll

2733
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:52,159
probably save us at the last moment

2734
01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:54,880
no i'm i'm being serious if we're in

2735
01:30:57,510 --> 01:30:55,600
their interest

2736
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:57,520
our survivalist well maybe their

2737
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:59,040
interest is not just on the

2738
01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:00,880
the safety of the planet and the safety

2739
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:02,719
of the the human species

2740
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:05,600
you know regenerating again maybe

2741
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:06,880
there's a different

2742
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:09,120
investment that they have in the the

2743
01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:12,320
maturation of human consciousness

2744
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:14,480
like some spiritual development i don't

2745
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:15,360
know i'm not

2746
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:17,679
particularly a spiritual person uh

2747
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:19,520
necessarily i'm not a religious person

2748
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:20,159
so i

2749
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:22,080
i don't know i don't know are all of

2750
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:24,320
your films related to ufo slash aliens

2751
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:25,679
or do some of them touch on other

2752
01:31:29,669 --> 01:31:26,639
subjects like

2753
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:29,679
near-death experience remote viewing

2754
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:31,920
yeah i mean all those things interest me

2755
01:31:34,629 --> 01:31:34,000
you know that consciousness is not

2756
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:34,639
contained

2757
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:37,679
within the biology of the human body

2758
01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:40,960
is a big one to me because you know it

2759
01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:41,920
is evident

2760
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:45,760
that these phenomena these beings

2761
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:47,760
use a different form of communication

2762
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,400
often telepathic or whatever

2763
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:52,719
but my films that are released the big

2764
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:55,199
ones you know patient 17 is about an

2765
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:58,159
alleged alien implant removal surgery

2766
01:32:02,070 --> 01:32:00,800
doesn't get any weirder than that the

2767
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:02,080
second one is about hunt for the

2768
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:04,239
skinwalker which is a government study

2769
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:05,360
of a

2770
01:32:09,669 --> 01:32:07,440
haunted property a property that has all

2771
01:32:11,830 --> 01:32:09,679
sorts of strange phenomenon

2772
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:11,840
and the third one is about bob lazar and

2773
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:13,679
air 51 ufos

2774
01:32:19,550 --> 01:32:16,960
and flight saucers um but i have done

2775
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:19,560
other films on uh things like

2776
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:20,960
nanotechnology

2777
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:23,440
i've done one on something called a

2778
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:24,800
space drive he called it

2779
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:26,480
it's basically is a non-traditional

2780
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:29,280
propulsion system these are short films

2781
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:31,600
but uh those are of a lot of interest to

2782
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:32,320
me

2783
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:34,880
so yeah available to be viewed by people

2784
01:32:38,470 --> 01:32:36,480
on youtube or vimeo

2785
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:38,480
yeah yeah youtube vimeo on my website

2786
01:32:41,669 --> 01:32:40,239
there's tons of information

2787
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:41,679
on that and then i like doing a lot of

2788
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:43,199
short movies my first movie had nothing

2789
01:32:49,510 --> 01:32:45,199
to do with ufos it was um

2790
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:49,520
called las vegas and it's just a short

2791
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:52,320
12 minute film maybe and it's just about

2792
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:53,360
about

2793
01:32:57,110 --> 01:32:55,280
yeah people that uh were kind of living

2794
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:57,120
on the las vegas strip

2795
01:33:00,550 --> 01:32:58,719
uh performers and whatnot they're kind

2796
01:33:02,629 --> 01:33:00,560
of jumped out at me it was very deeply

2797
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:02,639
touching and personal and

2798
01:33:06,830 --> 01:33:04,080
kind of a spiritual experience and you

2799
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:06,840
see these individuals

2800
01:33:12,229 --> 01:33:10,320
um just exposing

2801
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:12,239
the their deepest selves it's pretty

2802
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:14,159
powerful short film

2803
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:16,800
speaking of patient 17 i have written

2804
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:17,520
down here

2805
01:33:20,709 --> 01:33:19,360
what happened to patient 17 at the end

2806
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:20,719
but i don't remember

2807
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:22,400
why i wrote that down does that ring a

2808
01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:24,480
bell is that an incoherent question

2809
01:33:28,870 --> 01:33:26,239
no i mean at the end of the movie it's

2810
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:28,880
it's frustrating uh there was a sample

2811
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:31,840
of this material that was taken out of a

2812
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:34,000
guy's body now if anybody knows me

2813
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:36,239
and watches the film you know intently

2814
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,520
and you watch it

2815
01:33:41,669 --> 01:33:39,600
i i don't this is not something i

2816
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:41,679
believe i'm not pushing to my beliefs i

2817
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:42,000
i

2818
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:57,280
he does

2819
01:34:01,830 --> 01:34:00,320
firmly believe he had so at the end

2820
01:34:03,510 --> 01:34:01,840
it's kind of like hard because what

2821
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:03,520
happens to the sample

2822
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:04,800
i don't have control of the sample i'm

2823
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:07,120
not a scientist we got an anomalous

2824
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:08,000
result

2825
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:09,520
for from the sample meaning that the

2826
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:12,560
isotopes within the zinc 64

2827
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:14,400
came back from the laboratory as

2828
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:15,760
non-terrestrial

2829
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:18,560
that's how you tell location is is

2830
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:19,600
isotopes

2831
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,440
and this was odd so no i didn't follow

2832
01:34:25,910 --> 01:34:25,280
up this is not my life i'm not a

2833
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:25,920
scientist

2834
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:27,600
that's jacques valet the famous jock

2835
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:29,760
valet he can follow up with it

2836
01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:33,280
he's a scientist so with patient 17

2837
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:34,960
he went back to his normal life you know

2838
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:38,400
he's just a subject of a film

2839
01:34:42,070 --> 01:34:39,760
you mentioned that there's someone named

2840
01:34:43,510 --> 01:34:42,080
richard dodie who was driven mad

2841
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:43,520
do you mind expanding on that or

2842
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:46,080
expatiating yeah that's a deep dive that

2843
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,960
people will need to

2844
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,719
really look into but no rich richard

2845
01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:50,159
dodie did not go mad

2846
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:51,920
uh there's a guy in paul benowitz that

2847
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:54,080
this was a situation where the united

2848
01:34:58,390 --> 01:34:55,360
states government

2849
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:58,400
put disinformation into the ufo field

2850
01:35:01,510 --> 01:35:00,719
uh one of the guys involved he's a

2851
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:01,520
friend paul

2852
01:35:06,950 --> 01:35:04,880
dennowitz uh benowitz with a ben nowitz

2853
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:06,960
yeah this is a guy named rick dodie

2854
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:08,159
who's a friend of mine

2855
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,320
i like rick people vilify him and

2856
01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:12,480
they're so angry i'm friends with him

2857
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:14,320
he's a good guy he was okay so who's

2858
01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:15,520
rick and who's paul

2859
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:17,600
and what happened to them rick dodi was

2860
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:18,800
was paid

2861
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:22,239
to disinform the american public about

2862
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:22,960
ufos

2863
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,000
by infiltrating the ufo field and

2864
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:28,400
spreading disinformation

2865
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:31,360
and in one of his jobs doing this there

2866
01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:32,400
was an individual

2867
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:35,360
named paul benowitz who was being fed

2868
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:37,199
the disinformation and why it's so

2869
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:38,480
controversial

2870
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,320
is because paul benowitz went crazy

2871
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:44,800
you know in some states because of the

2872
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:46,880
you know rick doty playing with his mind

2873
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:47,920
and his emotions

2874
01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:50,719
but in reality paul had had a breakdown

2875
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:51,920
prior

2876
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:55,119
paul was not fully hinged uh so that's a

2877
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:57,520
that's a very famous case in ufo

2878
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:00,880
lore about the united states military

2879
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:04,080
manipulating the beliefs of people

2880
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:05,840
within the ufo field which has happened

2881
01:36:10,629 --> 01:36:08,480
from time to time

2882
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:10,639
rick worked for the government and paul

2883
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,320
was just someone who is interested in

2884
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:14,400
or maybe he's a ufologist some people

2885
01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:16,320
call them yeah he's a very brilliant

2886
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:17,440
scientist

2887
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:20,560
who worked near manzano weapons storage

2888
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:22,560
area out in

2889
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:25,280
new mexico and he was filming things on

2890
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:27,520
a classified base from his home

2891
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:30,639
and they were paul what's that paul was

2892
01:36:33,669 --> 01:36:31,119
filming

2893
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:33,679
okay paul was and rick was tasked with

2894
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:34,800
disinforming

2895
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:37,440
the ufo public and and paul and a couple

2896
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:38,159
other people

2897
01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:39,600
researchers it happens all the time

2898
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:41,199
people that research ufos

2899
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:43,199
you you get hit with with people trying

2900
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:44,960
to convince you of something happens to

2901
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:45,280
me

2902
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:49,360
good to be true i get photographs

2903
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:52,320
documents and i never publish it because

2904
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:53,840
these people are [\h__\h] with me

2905
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:55,840
you think that they're government spies

2906
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:57,040
or government

2907
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:00,320
i i don't know of who they work for

2908
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:03,760
but yeah certainly there i have um

2909
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,880
gotten information that is feels too

2910
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,080
good to be true

2911
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:10,320
and when i dig deeper and deeper i'm not

2912
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:11,360
going to fall for it

2913
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,000
yeah i don't know who's orchestrating it

2914
01:37:16,709 --> 01:37:16,080
yeah and rick's role at the government

2915
01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:16,719
was what

2916
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:19,199
was he a part of the cia or fbi or what

2917
01:37:23,669 --> 01:37:21,440
yeah that's uh i think it was osi

2918
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,679
office's special investigation for the

2919
01:37:27,950 --> 01:37:25,280
army i i don't recall

2920
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:27,960
specifically uh but he has done a lot of

2921
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,360
counter-intelligence and

2922
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:31,119
intelligence work for the army was this

2923
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:33,040
disinformation part of project blue book

2924
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:34,000
or was this just

2925
01:37:38,270 --> 01:37:36,639
a separate task yeah it was separate

2926
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:38,280
project blue book officially ended in

2927
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:39,440
1969

2928
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:41,440
right and there was you know a certain

2929
01:37:46,229 --> 01:37:42,880
number of cases

2930
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:46,239
they were unresolved and

2931
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,080
yes but there have been active programs

2932
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:50,159
about ufos since then

2933
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:53,280
did the government ever pay civilians to

2934
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:53,920
debunk

2935
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:57,040
ufos as far as you're aware i've never

2936
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:57,760
been

2937
01:38:01,830 --> 01:38:00,480
anything about ufos so if somebody else

2938
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:01,840
is getting a paycheck i'd like to know

2939
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:04,080
about it yeah yeah i mean whatever yeah

2940
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:06,320
um so i don't know i don't know i i

2941
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:07,840
would imagine it's just like anything

2942
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:09,440
within the intelligence community is

2943
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:10,239
when you have

2944
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:13,280
individuals who are predisposed to doing

2945
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:15,280
the work that you want them to do

2946
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:17,679
you can fund them to to continue that

2947
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:19,199
work i've seen it happen

2948
01:38:22,629 --> 01:38:21,840
you know with with domestic terrorism i

2949
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:22,639
have a personal

2950
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:25,199
experience with that i uh no individuals

2951
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,719
who were involved in that

2952
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:28,159
uh and they were paid are you allowed to

2953
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:30,000
talk about that or no i actually i i

2954
01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:32,159
should not but it's just uh there were

2955
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:33,199
individuals

2956
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:36,719
uh involved with infiltrating domestic

2957
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:38,000
terrorist cells

2958
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:40,639
and you know it's something that's done

2959
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:41,360
all the time

2960
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:45,440
yeah okay david fravor said that the

2961
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:47,920
russians shot at a ufo on the ufo shot

2962
01:38:50,229 --> 01:38:48,639
back

2963
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:50,239
i don't know if you've heard of this

2964
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:51,760
yeah i'm unfamiliar

2965
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:53,679
i'm unfamiliar with that okay i'm gonna

2966
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:55,040
send you the exact clip and then if you

2967
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:56,239
don't mind watching it because it might

2968
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:58,159
ring about you know yeah that was an

2969
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:59,600
engaged five-minute thing and there's

2970
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:00,320
other

2971
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:03,840
there's a story uh in the

2972
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:06,239
back when the soviet union existed that

2973
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:07,040
they actually

2974
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:08,960
would chase these things and one of them

2975
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:10,800
shot at some you know it shot it because

2976
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:12,239
they said shoot at it and it shot it and

2977
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:13,679
then it got shot down

2978
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:15,040
and then they said don't ever shoot at

2979
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:16,639
them again and don't chase them just you

2980
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:18,239
can observe them but don't go after them

2981
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:19,760
because obviously they have firepower

2982
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:21,520
that we can't control because if you can

2983
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,960
make something float around and jam

2984
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:25,199
radars at will and do whatever you want

2985
01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:27,920
you know modern terrestrial weapons are

2986
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:28,880
probably

2987
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:30,800
not very useful yeah i'm not i'm not

2988
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,480
familiar with that with that specific

2989
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:34,159
case but i know that there was a shoot

2990
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,080
down order in russia

2991
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:38,639
uh regarding ufos for a long time and

2992
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:40,639
then that that order was removed

2993
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,800
to to not engage and there was probably

2994
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:44,159
a good reason for that but i don't know

2995
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:45,760
the specific case uh commander faber's

2996
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:46,719
talking about

2997
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:48,560
have you heard of other cases where ufos

2998
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:49,920
have engaged with

2999
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:52,800
in attack mode let's say to civilians or

3000
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:53,600
to

3001
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:56,719
the army no uh there there is a

3002
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:59,920
you know there's an interesting uh

3003
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:01,600
set of cases that the argentinian

3004
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:03,360
government uh did

3005
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:05,920
uh a massive study on that you should

3006
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:06,639
look into

3007
01:40:11,430 --> 01:40:08,800
where these uh they call them chupas i

3008
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:11,440
think how do you spell this

3009
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:14,320
uh i think that was the name c-h-u-p-a-s

3010
01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:15,920
i'm not sure that that's right i could

3011
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:17,119
be getting that wrong

3012
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:19,840
but there was a i think it was argentina

3013
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:21,280
and there was this whole government

3014
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,920
study again man i could be getting this

3015
01:40:26,229 --> 01:40:25,360
totally wrong but i'll send you the

3016
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:26,239
information later

3017
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,480
sure but there there were some uh

3018
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,280
instances of physical harm done by

3019
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:33,360
by lights but i think typically with the

3020
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:34,960
with the ufo phenomenon

3021
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,600
these things are disinterested in us

3022
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:38,880
usually they're doing

3023
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,199
something like in the travis walton case

3024
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:43,280
very famous case travis walton

3025
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,239
was abducted uh and and you can look

3026
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:48,000
into this case yourself but

3027
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:50,480
he believes that when he encountered the

3028
01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:52,080
ufo in the forest

3029
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:55,119
that it it let off a field that did

3030
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:57,760
hurt him but then they they maybe they

3031
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:59,440
swooped them up to to take care of him

3032
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:01,520
and drop them back off days later

3033
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:03,920
i don't think there's overt hostility

3034
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:05,679
obviously there's weaponry that would

3035
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:07,520
completely nullify anything that we have

3036
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:09,360
within our arsenals of defense in any

3037
01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:10,800
developed nation on earth

3038
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:12,960
so obviously these things are not

3039
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:15,520
overtly hostile

3040
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:18,400
you know that goes back to you know any

3041
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:19,760
of these encounters

3042
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:22,880
you're just not seeing attack mode by

3043
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,760
these things

3044
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:25,840
so brandon fugle said that there were

3045
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:28,239
some of his employees or people studying

3046
01:41:31,350 --> 01:41:29,679
skinwalker that were actually hurt and

3047
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:31,360
had to be hospitalized do you know of

3048
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,960
any of those cases can you tell me about

3049
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:34,320
the details

3050
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:35,679
yeah so you're talking about skinwalker

3051
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:37,760
ranch and the current owner is brandon

3052
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:38,560
fugel

3053
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:40,880
uh the the owner before was robert

3054
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:41,760
bigelow uh

3055
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:46,719
aerospace billionaire robert bigelow um

3056
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:49,520
i do know that at skinwalker ranch that

3057
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,560
there are a lot of

3058
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:53,119
claims of people having physical

3059
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:53,920
injuries

3060
01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:57,360
from the phenomenon itself i

3061
01:42:02,629 --> 01:42:00,560
remain unconvinced on that connection

3062
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:02,639
and association between the phenomenon

3063
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:05,600
and these injuries now i could be wrong

3064
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:06,719
i do know

3065
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:09,440
that psychologically people have been

3066
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:10,719
injured

3067
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:13,199
you know from engaging the phenomenon it

3068
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:15,040
appears that when they do

3069
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:18,000
that it it it appears to follow them and

3070
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:19,199
that is something that george knapp has

3071
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:20,400
talked a lot about

3072
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:23,040
and uh if there's a grain of truth to it

3073
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:24,320
you're going to find it at skinwalker

3074
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:25,440
ranch

3075
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,960
and when you say the phenomenon you mean

3076
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:28,800
it more like in the wittgenstein sense

3077
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:29,199
of a

3078
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:31,360
family resemblance it's not just ufos

3079
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:33,760
it's cognate topics like

3080
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:37,199
what political rights ufos are witnessed

3081
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,320
when there's a whole bunch of other

3082
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:40,159
phenomena going on as well i mean so

3083
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:41,040
people are having

3084
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:43,760
visions they're having uh telepathic

3085
01:42:46,470 --> 01:42:44,719
experiences

3086
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:46,480
obviously there's occupants so

3087
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:48,400
skinwalker ranch really teaches us that

3088
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,560
that ufos is just a part

3089
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,560
of the phenomena it's a part of a bigger

3090
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:54,239
reality

3091
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:56,080
that we get to see from time to time

3092
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:58,400
have you spent any nights at skinwalker

3093
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,880
sure have yep okay what's happened to

3094
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:02,400
you personally

3095
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:05,440
to me to that i was aware of nothing i

3096
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:06,320
just uh you know

3097
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:08,400
snuggled with a friend out of terror and

3098
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:09,600
fear i mean you know

3099
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:11,520
there's there's nothing uh that i have

3100
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:13,440
as far as that's a positive

3101
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:16,000
oh absolutely he's he's a good big spoon

3102
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,600
uh my buddy matt adams

3103
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:19,760
no you know look i've had only positive

3104
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:22,080
experiences at skinwalker ranch

3105
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:26,080
i did just before you uh called me today

3106
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:29,520
i did get a message from

3107
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:32,000
robbie williams security head of

3108
01:43:36,149 --> 01:43:32,800
security

3109
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:36,159
a guy named neil and robbie williams is

3110
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:36,400
a

3111
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:48,400
with us

3112
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:52,719
and neil did claim

3113
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:56,480
to witness a very strange

3114
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:59,199
uh phenomenon which was this um like a

3115
01:44:03,109 --> 01:44:00,800
like a shadow being

3116
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:03,119
i guess you'd say look like a a tall

3117
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:03,920
being

3118
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:05,679
follow me through the kitchen a

3119
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,119
skinwalker ranch no

3120
01:44:10,149 --> 01:44:09,600
i didn't see it yeah yeah but i i didn't

3121
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:10,159
see it

3122
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:12,080
i never see anything like that i would

3123
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:13,360
love to turn around and be like yo shout

3124
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:14,960
out person tell me what's up you know

3125
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:17,199
i never see this kind of stuff but he's

3126
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:19,040
dead fast that he did see it

3127
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:20,719
with another guy that was who's at the

3128
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:23,280
table what he didn't know

3129
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:25,199
is that in the defense intelligence

3130
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:26,320
agency

3131
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:29,360
study in this command center

3132
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:33,199
that we were in did this shadow being

3133
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:36,719
phenomenal had occurred twice before

3134
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:39,199
he was not privy to that information so

3135
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:40,719
if he was making something up

3136
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:42,480
he could have made up anything and it

3137
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:43,840
wouldn't have rung a bell

3138
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:46,159
that's what's so weird about the ranch

3139
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:48,239
you know so i didn't see anything

3140
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:51,040
i'm i'm open to it being true i don't

3141
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:52,880
necessarily believe it to be true

3142
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:56,639
but we're talking about a witness who is

3143
01:45:02,070 --> 01:44:59,760
uh trustworthy and

3144
01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:02,080
he was seeing it live in person or was

3145
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:03,280
filming yeah live in person the thing

3146
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:04,719
apparently followed me right through the

3147
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,360
kitchen

3148
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:07,679
and he i could see this look on his eyes

3149
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:08,400
and

3150
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:11,920
this like a six minute audio clip we're

3151
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:13,360
going in the car and he tells me about

3152
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:13,679
it

3153
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:14,960
and i recorded he didn't tell you right

3154
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:16,639
then there's someone behind you or a

3155
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:17,520
shadow person

3156
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:21,119
no he said it's time to go interesting

3157
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:22,719
and someone else saw it too you said

3158
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:24,239
yeah yeah there was somebody else at the

3159
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:26,560
table that was able to

3160
01:45:30,709 --> 01:45:28,159
see i miss everything man my back's

3161
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:30,719
always turned i mean look in conclusion

3162
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:32,320
we'll wrap this up with this man in

3163
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:37,270
you don't have to take my word for it

3164
01:45:40,950 --> 01:45:38,320
ufos

3165
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:40,960
are real and enough evidence is out

3166
01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:41,679
there for you

3167
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:44,800
to understand that if ufos are real

3168
01:45:50,790 --> 01:45:48,080
then that should make you so curious

3169
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:50,800
about what they represent what alternate

3170
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:51,679
reality

3171
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:54,560
they represent there's an uncharted

3172
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:57,280
territory a mystery here that ufos are a

3173
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:58,639
beacon for

3174
01:46:02,310 --> 01:46:01,119
but by studying ufos and by really

3175
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:02,320
looking at the history

3176
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:03,840
of what's happened the credible

3177
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:06,080
information there is an

3178
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:08,000
alternate reality there's a reality that

3179
01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:09,920
is more expansive and bigger than what

3180
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,639
we know

3181
01:46:14,070 --> 01:46:12,480
and that's what's so exciting to me

3182
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:14,080
about the ufo topic

3183
01:46:18,870 --> 01:46:16,560
one day i hope to to learn more about it

3184
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:18,880
and i hope to get closer to the truth

3185
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:20,320
but right now i'm like you i'm just

3186
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:22,880
hungry for answers

3187
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:24,719
jeremy thank you so much do you happen

3188
01:46:27,590 --> 01:46:26,320
to have i know you got to go soon

3189
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:27,600
or even right now do you happen to have

3190
01:46:30,629 --> 01:46:29,360
10 extra minutes because i have

3191
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,639
quite a few audience questions we can

3192
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:32,400
just hammer them out yeah sure

3193
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:34,960
let's do it great thank you so much okay

3194
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:35,600
rivulet

3195
01:46:39,189 --> 01:46:37,360
says i'm curious what he was like as a

3196
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:39,199
kid if he knew he was going to be doing

3197
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:40,480
something of this nature

3198
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,320
if he was intrigued by the abnormal i

3199
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,159
suppose

3200
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:46,719
uh no i had no idea like you know how do

3201
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:47,600
you ever know what you're going to do

3202
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:48,480
when you grow up

3203
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:50,239
you know i don't know that i've grown up

3204
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:52,320
yet let's see what's next

3205
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:54,480
okay then he also asks and has his

3206
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:56,159
occupation ever gotten dangerous for

3207
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:57,679
instance threats from shady figures

3208
01:47:03,109 --> 01:46:59,280
offered money to be quiet

3209
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:03,119
but i'd never shut up

3210
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:05,119
no nothing dangerous the only thing

3211
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:06,320
danger said like the

3212
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:08,320
the people that are so angry at me for

3213
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:09,600
like

3214
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:12,880
being on social media i don't know

3215
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:15,520
what's the single best piece of evidence

3216
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:16,960
you've come across in studying

3217
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:18,800
the ufo phenomenon that's the same

3218
01:47:20,870 --> 01:47:20,400
question that i ask every single person

3219
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:20,880
that i

3220
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:23,360
first interview any time i turn on the

3221
01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:24,000
camera

3222
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:25,840
and i've never gotten a satisfactory

3223
01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:28,480
answer so i certainly can't give you one

3224
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:30,639
my best evidence that i have is my own

3225
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:32,239
personal experience and the people that

3226
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:33,280
have come forward to me

3227
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:35,920
who don't want fame or to be known and

3228
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:37,760
have told me a verifiable piece of

3229
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:39,360
information that i can't show the public

3230
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:40,880
for me that's the coolest piece of

3231
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:42,800
evidence

3232
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:46,560
viewer q says he wants to know this or

3233
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:46,880
she

3234
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:49,040
the three most influential perspective

3235
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:50,320
shifting books

3236
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:54,560
to you and why oh man

3237
01:48:02,070 --> 01:47:58,080
um well a story the plato's cave

3238
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:05,270
three most influential like the most the

3239
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:13,030
oh my gosh

3240
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:14,709
i don't know man i read mostly like

3241
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:16,400
martial arts philosophy books

3242
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:20,239
so um art of war

3243
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:29,270
i don't know i like to read for fun okay

3244
01:48:32,709 --> 01:48:30,400
voyager 2

3245
01:48:34,870 --> 01:48:32,719
voyager uk 2002 said in his movie with

3246
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:34,880
lazar he surprised bob with a photo of a

3247
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:35,600
hand scanner

3248
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,360
and apparently the same scanner was used

3249
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:39,760
in close encounters of the third kind

3250
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,560
what do what what does jeremy and bob

3251
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:43,920
think about this well bob

3252
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:45,520
no i'm glad people ask and that that's a

3253
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:47,119
nice way to ask these people are so

3254
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:50,639
accusational man people totally [\h__\h]

3255
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:52,400
misunderstood the point

3256
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:55,920
so okay close encounters this clip has

3257
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:57,360
now come out that the hand scanner was

3258
01:49:02,070 --> 01:48:59,199
in it now i've watched that movie

3259
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,080
i've watched that movie tons of times

3260
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:04,560
have you ever watched the movie

3261
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:07,520
okay no i don't know what this person or

3262
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:08,400
what you're talking about

3263
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:11,119
that hand scanner was never publicly

3264
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:11,840
shown

3265
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:14,480
or talked about it was not even on

3266
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:15,199
people's

3267
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,400
radar till after bob lazar right

3268
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:20,560
also in the movie they don't show what

3269
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:21,840
the scanner does

3270
01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:23,760
how it accesses the bone lengths and

3271
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:25,599
that kind of thing the the revelation of

3272
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,400
my movie

3273
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:28,960
was not that the hand scanner existed

3274
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:30,159
and of course remember

3275
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,040
things like close encounters people are

3276
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:35,280
advising that movie

3277
01:49:42,149 --> 01:49:39,920
i know people who advise that movie

3278
01:49:44,149 --> 01:49:42,159
so it's no surprise that they would use

3279
01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:44,159
a scanner that is used in the ufo

3280
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:45,360
programs

3281
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:47,760
in that movie but they never expressly

3282
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:49,199
say it now bob lazar

3283
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:51,360
we've all watched that movie none of us

3284
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:53,199
thought about that

3285
01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:55,199
everybody said bob was crazy but he said

3286
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,880
at site 4

3287
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,880
they used this scanner it was really

3288
01:50:02,470 --> 01:50:00,719
weird it measured your bones i have the

3289
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:02,480
audio and visual of him doing that to

3290
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:03,920
george knapp

3291
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:07,520
come to find out it was acknowledged

3292
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:10,320
it was acknowledged that these scanners

3293
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:10,719
were

3294
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:14,480
used at area 51 and area 52.

3295
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:16,639
this happened while i was filming the

3296
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:17,520
movie

3297
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:19,760
so when i got that image and i showed it

3298
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:20,880
to bob that is a

3299
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:23,360
genuine reaction he was like holy you

3300
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:24,719
know whatever he said holy fish

3301
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,920
you know this is the [\h__\h] scanner i

3302
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:27,199
never thought i would see this again he

3303
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:29,199
didn't say all the f-bombs and all that

3304
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:31,520
so people like to say because the

3305
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:32,400
scanner

3306
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:34,960
was in the movie close encounters that

3307
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:35,760
bob just

3308
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:38,000
made it up well guess what if he made it

3309
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:39,440
up he's again

3310
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:41,119
the luckiest person on planet earth

3311
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:43,119
because turns out we now know they were

3312
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:45,360
used at arrow 51 in area 52.

3313
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:47,679
how did bob know so you come back into

3314
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:49,280
the same problem if you want to [\h__\h] on

3315
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:50,719
bob and try to call him a liar

3316
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:52,719
well he's the luckiest liar you ever met

3317
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:54,320
then

3318
01:50:59,030 --> 01:50:56,159
okay we'll get to the next one stephen

3319
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:59,040
paul he says artist filmmaker. ask him

3320
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:00,480
about sensemaking

3321
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:03,920
how does he navigate through the chaos

3322
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:06,800
sense making yeah let's skip that and

3323
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:08,960
then he wants to know ask if he's read

3324
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:11,440
future shock by toffler i have not is it

3325
01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:13,199
good

3326
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:15,040
i'm just i'm just asking stephen paul's

3327
01:51:19,830 --> 01:51:17,199
question okay all right

3328
01:51:21,669 --> 01:51:19,840
okay ephron did you have any problems

3329
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:21,679
with authorities when trying to film

3330
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:22,960
what happened and how did you overcome

3331
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:25,840
them no no problems it was just the

3332
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:26,719
you know the recording of the

3333
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:29,040
conversation and the raid but that

3334
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:30,400
didn't mess with me at all

3335
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:33,440
yeah okay ephron again

3336
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:34,639
do you think the government will ever

3337
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:36,159
expose aliens to the public as

3338
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:38,080
disclosure

3339
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:39,920
no not not in like the big sense like

3340
01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:41,360
aliens are here we're going to tell you

3341
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:43,119
everything about them it's too guarded a

3342
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:44,639
secret because of the potential for

3343
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:46,320
weaponization

3344
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:48,239
efron also asks what's your advice to

3345
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:50,000
other documentary filmmakers attempting

3346
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:50,960
to create

3347
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:54,080
films regarding et let's say i mean if i

3348
01:51:58,629 --> 01:51:55,280
can do it

3349
01:52:01,030 --> 01:51:58,639
grabbed the cameras

3350
01:52:02,070 --> 01:52:01,040
started filming got final cut pro and

3351
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:02,080
edited it

3352
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:04,000
very simple so just do it don't ask

3353
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:05,760
permission actually that is the advice

3354
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:07,360
don't ask permission and don't give a

3355
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:09,040
[\h__\h] what other people think make your

3356
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:10,880
movie

3357
01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:13,119
joshua lysic asks have you heard of

3358
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:15,199
wright patterson air force base and what

3359
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:16,960
are your thoughts on what goes on there

3360
01:52:20,229 --> 01:52:18,480
i sure have heard of wright-patterson

3361
01:52:22,149 --> 01:52:20,239
air force base that is famously where

3362
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:22,159
there is a place called hangar 18 where

3363
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:23,040
they hold

3364
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:26,320
some ufo materials so yeah i have heard

3365
01:52:28,830 --> 01:52:27,840
about it and what goes on there is that

3366
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:28,840
they house

3367
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:31,679
extraterrestrial um artifacts there

3368
01:52:34,709 --> 01:52:33,119
do you have any information that hasn't

3369
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:34,719
been let's say disclosed or

3370
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:37,199
not known to the ufo community about it

3371
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:38,480
i i do

3372
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:40,080
and and i will be presenting that

3373
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,760
information when i can

3374
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:43,520
back it up thoroughly but but i do

3375
01:52:47,830 --> 01:52:45,920
there's a warehousing program

3376
01:52:50,310 --> 01:52:47,840
that is very interesting it's been

3377
01:52:53,030 --> 01:52:50,320
quoted to me as a museum of paper

3378
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:53,040
a location where there's a clearinghouse

3379
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:53,520
for

3380
01:52:59,189 --> 01:52:57,280
all ufo based content over the decades

3381
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:59,199
mike wixson asks how much of our current

3382
01:53:01,189 --> 01:53:00,560
technology is based on reverse

3383
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:01,199
engineering

3384
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:03,360
of technologies from other beings and if

3385
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:04,880
you could provide some examples if you

3386
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:06,320
know of any

3387
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:07,760
yeah that that's debatable a lot of

3388
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:09,199
people have argued that there's you know

3389
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:10,239
a real famous

3390
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:12,639
book that deals with colonel corso's

3391
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:13,840
claims about

3392
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:16,480
how uh industry has been seated with

3393
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:17,920
certain things like uh

3394
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:21,440
supercapacitors or whatever so or

3395
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:22,639
what are they called whatever it is

3396
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:25,280
superconductors superconductors so

3397
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:27,280
i don't know if that's true i suspect

3398
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:28,480
there is some

3399
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:31,119
overlay with with uh but but i do know

3400
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:31,679
this

3401
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:35,040
i do know that the problem that we're

3402
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:37,199
facing now with our military

3403
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:39,599
is that a lot of these technologies are

3404
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:41,760
wrapped up in black budgets with private

3405
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:42,719
industry

3406
01:53:47,830 --> 01:53:45,040
who seem to supersede the power of chain

3407
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:47,840
of command with our military

3408
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:50,000
with with these programs which is a real

3409
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:51,360
problem for our sense of

3410
01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:54,080
of government so there are individual

3411
01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:55,119
corporations

3412
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:57,920
which have historically held on to these

3413
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:58,800
programs

3414
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:02,080
and they're not sharing information

3415
01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:04,560
some of this might be retreading some of

3416
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:06,080
our interview but i'm gonna ask it again

3417
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:07,520
maybe you can give a compendious

3418
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:10,480
answer mike wixon also asks if we've

3419
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:11,840
been visited by aliens since the

3420
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:13,440
beginning of time or at least since

3421
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:16,239
a long time ago which aliens are they

3422
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:17,760
where are they from and how

3423
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:19,280
and are there more than one species

3424
01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:20,800
visiting us

3425
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,159
actually i would suspect that there's

3426
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:24,800
more than one specie that's visiting

3427
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:26,960
again if this is not some simulation

3428
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:28,320
reality

3429
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,440
you know if the whole thing is not a

3430
01:54:32,870 --> 01:54:31,440
simulation reality then yeah i'd suspect

3431
01:54:35,910 --> 01:54:32,880
there's different beings that are

3432
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:35,920
visiting and uh the ufo phenomenon goes

3433
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:37,360
back to the beginning of recorded human

3434
01:54:41,669 --> 01:54:39,760
history

3435
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:41,679
saget asks why are they always so

3436
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:43,199
clandestine in their abductions

3437
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:45,440
and if they're directing our evolution

3438
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:46,639
that means they

3439
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:49,199
effectively are the creators of religion

3440
01:54:51,830 --> 01:54:50,639
so how does this play into the greater

3441
01:54:53,830 --> 01:54:51,840
picture

3442
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:53,840
uh that's been claimed before you know

3443
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:55,040
that that they've uh

3444
01:54:59,189 --> 01:54:58,080
influenced our religion and politics and

3445
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:59,199
thoughts and

3446
01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:01,280
i don't know uh clandestine i mean if

3447
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:02,800
you're gonna abduct somebody probably be

3448
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:05,199
clandestine about it

3449
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:07,280
i don't know david gibson asks what

3450
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:14,070
man that we're not alone you know just

3451
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:15,360
this concept

3452
01:55:21,669 --> 01:55:18,480
that human beings

3453
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:21,679
are you know semi-intelligent beings

3454
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:24,719
predisposed to war but that we might

3455
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:25,199
have

3456
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:27,520
other brothers and sisters and uh

3457
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:29,360
individuals out there

3458
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:32,480
life forms with other forms of uh

3459
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:36,400
propulsion uh other forms of technology

3460
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:38,400
maybe other understandings of the

3461
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:40,960
universe dreams for the future

3462
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:44,080
that's powerful that is what's most

3463
01:55:48,550 --> 01:55:46,239
interesting to me

3464
01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:48,560
okay and just a couple more voyager uk

3465
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:49,840
2002

3466
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:52,239
westfall ufo mass sighting in 1966

3467
01:55:55,109 --> 01:55:53,920
melbourne australia witnessed by over

3468
01:55:56,470 --> 01:55:55,119
200 school children

3469
01:55:58,830 --> 01:55:56,480
that's not even a question it's just a

3470
01:56:01,109 --> 01:55:58,840
point okay do you have any comments on

3471
01:56:02,470 --> 01:56:01,119
that look into the case it's a great

3472
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:02,480
case

3473
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:07,199
all right number two okay it's another

3474
01:56:10,229 --> 01:56:08,719
it's another point like that phoenix

3475
01:56:12,470 --> 01:56:10,239
lights okay number three

3476
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:12,480
travis travis walton's abduction why

3477
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:14,800
does nobody talk about this anymore

3478
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:17,280
where are the loggers who are involved

3479
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:17,840
in this

3480
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:20,159
it has a profound impact on them they

3481
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:22,159
don't like each other

3482
01:56:25,669 --> 01:56:23,599
but they never change their story

3483
01:56:27,750 --> 01:56:25,679
regardless that's true

3484
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,760
not everybody gets along just like with

3485
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:29,520
babazar

3486
01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:32,159
look not everybody gets along that we're

3487
01:56:35,030 --> 01:56:33,760
surrounding bob at the time but they all

3488
01:56:36,390 --> 01:56:35,040
agree on one thing

3489
01:56:38,229 --> 01:56:36,400
everything happened exactly like bob

3490
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:38,239
lazar said so

3491
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:40,000
you know same with with the other case

3492
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:41,440
you just mentioned uh

3493
01:56:46,550 --> 01:56:44,880
you know yeah travis i brought him up

3494
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:46,560
earlier i mean it's an important case

3495
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:47,280
and

3496
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:48,960
people are talking about it i mean i

3497
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:49,840
don't know if you want to hear more

3498
01:56:52,550 --> 01:56:50,560
about it

3499
01:56:55,030 --> 01:56:52,560
someone should make a movie on another

3500
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:55,040
movie voyager uk 2002

3501
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:56,480
perhaps you should make a documentary on

3502
01:57:00,550 --> 01:56:58,320
it there we go there's a great one out

3503
01:57:02,709 --> 01:57:00,560
about travis

3504
01:57:04,229 --> 01:57:02,719
jeremy thank you so much i appreciate it

3505
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:04,239
hey man i'm i'm just so excited that

3506
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:05,840
you're interested in it you know

3507
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:08,400
there's a phd level understanding of

3508
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:10,320
ufos that needs to occur

3509
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:12,159
before you can even begin to have the

3510
01:57:15,910 --> 01:57:13,440
right questions

3511
01:57:17,350 --> 01:57:15,920
but but the initial reason why people

3512
01:57:20,709 --> 01:57:17,360
are interested in this

3513
01:57:24,070 --> 01:57:20,719
is because the implications

3514
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:24,080
that something is greater in our reality

3515
01:57:29,030 --> 01:57:27,040
and we have been lied to this has been

3516
01:57:31,910 --> 01:57:29,040
hid from us that our governments

3517
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:31,920
have been implicit in hiding this

3518
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:32,800
information

3519
01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:35,920
from us that is huge and so i i think

3520
01:57:40,470 --> 01:57:38,000
when someone gets interested in this

3521
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:40,480
concept what i'd like to tell them is

3522
01:57:44,550 --> 01:57:42,320
you know

3523
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:44,560
keep your mind open about it keep an

3524
01:57:47,669 --> 01:57:45,360
open mind

3525
01:57:48,709 --> 01:57:47,679
but don't let the marbles fall out your

3526
01:57:49,990 --> 01:57:48,719
head

3527
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:50,000
you know there's a big problem it's

3528
01:57:54,550 --> 01:57:52,639
called ufo disease you start believing

3529
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:54,560
one thing you believe anything

3530
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:56,639
keep your head on straight look at this

3531
01:58:00,870 --> 01:57:58,480
uh rationally

3532
01:58:02,070 --> 01:58:00,880
look at the mountain of evidence be

3533
01:58:04,390 --> 01:58:02,080
skeptical

3534
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:04,400
but don't become a a debunker we've

3535
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:06,170
already decided one way or the other

3536
01:58:10,149 --> 01:58:07,360
[Music]

3537
01:58:11,589 --> 01:58:10,159
have you seen the skinwalker series i

3538
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:11,599
don't remember who published a history

3539
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:12,480
channel maybe

3540
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:14,880
yeah tv series yeah what do you think of

3541
01:58:17,510 --> 01:58:15,520
it

3542
01:58:18,709 --> 01:58:17,520
i actually haven't watched the whole

3543
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:18,719
series but i think it's great that

3544
01:58:22,229 --> 01:58:20,400
brandon fugle is allowing

3545
01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:22,239
people to document what's going on look

3546
01:58:26,709 --> 01:58:24,880
it's tv i've heard the criticisms that

3547
01:58:28,950 --> 01:58:26,719
you know it's exaggerated for the tv

3548
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:28,960
show i you know i don't know

3549
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:31,280
uh there's a mystery at skinwalker ranch

3550
01:58:35,589 --> 01:58:33,360
and that that mystery is alive and well

3551
01:58:36,470 --> 01:58:35,599
and it's worthy of scientific pursuit

3552
01:58:39,350 --> 01:58:36,480
the ufo

3553
01:58:41,109 --> 01:58:39,360
topic is worthy of scientific pursuit

3554
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:41,119
people like neil degrasse tyson

3555
01:58:46,229 --> 01:58:44,239
shouldn't make comments about low

3556
01:58:46,950 --> 01:58:46,239
resolution photos when clearly he

3557
01:58:50,229 --> 01:58:46,960
doesn't know what an

3558
01:58:51,189 --> 01:58:50,239
atlear camera is a targeting pod people

3559
01:58:53,270 --> 01:58:51,199
like that

3560
01:58:55,030 --> 01:58:53,280
we should hold this information to a

3561
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:55,040
higher standard it is one of the

3562
01:58:58,470 --> 01:58:56,400
greatest revelations

3563
01:58:59,589 --> 01:58:58,480
that we could possibly have if it turns

3564
01:59:00,790 --> 01:58:59,599
out it is true

3565
01:59:02,229 --> 01:59:00,800
not only are we not alone in the

3566
01:59:03,910 --> 01:59:02,239
universe which we all suspect because

3567
01:59:07,990 --> 01:59:03,920
it's mathematically probable

3568
01:59:11,350 --> 01:59:08,000
but additionally they are visiting here

3569
01:59:14,070 --> 01:59:11,360
that is the key point and if that's true

3570
01:59:14,550 --> 01:59:14,080
then that's going to speak volumes about

3571
01:59:16,790 --> 01:59:14,560
about

3572
01:59:17,990 --> 01:59:16,800
our technology and and why they're doing

3573
01:59:19,350 --> 01:59:18,000
it

3574
01:59:20,629 --> 01:59:19,360
i'm super interested in talking to

3575
01:59:22,229 --> 01:59:20,639
someone about the physics and getting

3576
01:59:24,790 --> 01:59:22,239
into some of the details and some of the

3577
01:59:27,030 --> 01:59:24,800
nitty-gritty do you happen to know well

3578
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:27,040
maybe travis taylor someone i'm

3579
01:59:30,229 --> 01:59:28,080
i don't know if you've heard of travis

3580
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:30,239
taylor yeah i've i've heard him he's in

3581
01:59:33,669 --> 01:59:31,360
that tv series

3582
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:33,679
yeah yeah yeah that's right i'm trying

3583
01:59:36,149 --> 01:59:34,719
to think about uh

3584
01:59:38,310 --> 01:59:36,159
who would be a good person mine

3585
01:59:39,350 --> 01:59:38,320
obviously i would recommend that

3586
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:39,360
everybody go

3587
01:59:42,709 --> 01:59:41,679
look at my youtube channel which is just

3588
01:59:46,390 --> 01:59:42,719
uh youtube

3589
01:59:48,229 --> 01:59:46,400
jeremy corbell and there's a

3590
01:59:50,390 --> 01:59:48,239
a long version on there called the

3591
01:59:52,709 --> 01:59:50,400
anatomy of a ufo

3592
01:59:54,229 --> 01:59:52,719
and that's where bob lazar describes the

3593
01:59:56,550 --> 01:59:54,239
propulsion system itself

3594
01:59:58,310 --> 01:59:56,560
how gravity wave amplification works

3595
02:00:01,350 --> 01:59:58,320
with the structure of the craft

3596
02:00:03,189 --> 02:00:01,360
that he was able to have hands-on with i

3597
02:00:04,790 --> 02:00:03,199
saw a video with him but it was from

3598
02:00:06,310 --> 02:00:04,800
maybe 30 years ago is this the one that

3599
02:00:07,109 --> 02:00:06,320
you're referring to or is it no i have a

3600
02:00:09,910 --> 02:00:07,119
new one

3601
02:00:10,709 --> 02:00:09,920
i filmed this with him it's a 17-minute

3602
02:00:13,189 --> 02:00:10,719
version

3603
02:00:14,070 --> 02:00:13,199
of him explaining and drawing the the

3604
02:00:16,629 --> 02:00:14,080
ufo

3605
02:00:17,589 --> 02:00:16,639
that he worked on but explaining how the

3606
02:00:19,910 --> 02:00:17,599
propulsion system

3607
02:00:21,350 --> 02:00:19,920
works with the structure of the craft

3608
02:00:24,709 --> 02:00:21,360
okay

3609
02:00:28,229 --> 02:00:24,719
so much man

3610
02:00:29,830 --> 02:00:28,239
i appreciate it i'm a fan so any of the

3611
02:00:30,790 --> 02:00:29,840
haters if you wanna you can hate on me

3612
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:30,800
as well then

3613
02:00:35,990 --> 02:00:33,920
uh yeah i i look i don't mind everybody

3614
02:00:37,030 --> 02:00:36,000
can have an opinion even wrong opinions

3615
02:00:38,709 --> 02:00:37,040
people can have

3616
02:00:40,550 --> 02:00:38,719
uh but the idea is that the the

3617
02:00:42,310 --> 02:00:40,560
individual it's not the messenger it's

3618
02:00:43,350 --> 02:00:42,320
it's the message if you're interested in

3619
02:00:44,870 --> 02:00:43,360
this at all

3620
02:00:46,550 --> 02:00:44,880
you know try to move the ball forward

3621
02:00:47,830 --> 02:00:46,560
rather than you know trying to suppress

3622
02:00:48,470 --> 02:00:47,840
people that are trying to talk about

3623
02:00:51,350 --> 02:00:48,480
this

3624
02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:51,360
uh you know the comments land flat

3625
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:52,800
anyway i don't read comments

3626
02:00:56,229 --> 02:00:55,199
so you know enjoy and and hopefully

3627
02:00:57,589 --> 02:00:56,239
people get uh

3628
02:00:59,350 --> 02:00:57,599
curious and like to say weaponize your

3629
02:01:01,750 --> 02:00:59,360
curiosity

3630
02:01:06,629 --> 02:01:01,760
all right man have a great one okay have

3631
02:01:12,229 --> 02:01:09,990
do you have adhd uh you know i was

3632
02:01:15,589 --> 02:01:12,239
actually diagnosed with adhd

3633
02:01:17,669 --> 02:01:15,599
before it was you know kind of a very

3634
02:01:19,189 --> 02:01:17,679
common thing when i was a kid and they

3635
02:01:21,430 --> 02:01:19,199
put me on

3636
02:01:22,950 --> 02:01:21,440
must have been like a ritalin based drug

3637
02:01:25,750 --> 02:01:22,960
and i took it for like a week and i

3638
02:01:27,350 --> 02:01:25,760
um i felt horrible like i felt like my

3639
02:01:28,229 --> 02:01:27,360
soul was ripped out of me and i was like

3640
02:01:31,189 --> 02:01:28,239
tan

3641
02:01:32,229 --> 02:01:31,199
it was before it became so well known

3642
02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:32,239
you know

3643
02:01:36,470 --> 02:01:35,520
so yeah i guess i do i mean stimulants

3644
02:01:39,109 --> 02:01:36,480
make me

3645
02:01:41,030 --> 02:01:39,119
kind of tired like coffee and stuff so

3646
02:01:43,830 --> 02:01:41,040
you know i think i'm the same way

3647
02:01:44,390 --> 02:01:43,840
yeah yeah stimulants have a paradoxical

3648
02:01:47,510 --> 02:01:44,400
effect

3649
02:01:49,030 --> 02:01:47,520
on me unfortunately because i would love

3650
02:01:51,430 --> 02:01:49,040
i would love you know many people say

3651
02:01:54,470 --> 02:01:51,440
that they live by nootropics

3652
02:01:56,629 --> 02:01:54,480
and amphetamines and so on

3653
02:01:57,750 --> 02:01:56,639
but any time i've tried virtually

3654
02:02:00,709 --> 02:01:57,760
anything it hasn't helped

3655
02:02:01,189 --> 02:02:00,719
it maybe has made me worse almost

3656
02:02:03,350 --> 02:02:01,199
nothing

3657
02:02:04,950 --> 02:02:03,360
helps except it's like the reverse yeah

3658
02:02:06,709 --> 02:02:04,960
it's like the reverse stuff yeah